TW questions

- Noone seems to take Defensive Sweep in their builds (Parry-like powers seemed to be pretty much must have one low defense secondaries)

- Everyone seems to take Titan Sweep but numbers looks ridiculously bad. It looks worste than Slice (BS) which is already pretty ugly.

- What's the classic rotation on TW build? RA/FT/AoD/FT/CB/FT? Recharges seem to be very long but animations also...

- How horribly bad is to include outset powers like Burn or Gloom (for Brute) in ST rotations (redraw)?

- How is the powerset performing compared to Kat, DM, BS and other classics?

Defensive Sweep is OK, but it does pretty poor damage and doesn't really do much at all for builds that don't use positional defense.

Titan Sweep does more damage than Slice, has a larger area, and activates much faster during Momentum. The set has two other even better AoEs, so you can do without TS if you must (especially if you have a damage aura), but it's not a bad power.

The rotation you named is impossible - Momentum would expire before you got to the third Follow Through. Momentum also kinda throws a wrench in trying to make attack chains the usual way; I usually just wing it. I've seen some posters talking about a very high-end chain... I think it was RA-FT-AoD-CB-FT? That one requires very high recharge though.

There is no redraw delay during Momentum. However, TW builds generally don't need or particularly want extra attacks, and in a sense you still have a delay for using non-weapon powers because you're spending Momentum time to avoid the redraw, and getting that Momentum buff costs you activation time.

TW is really, astonishingly powerful. It is an excellent set.

This isn't a direct response to any of your questions, but your post is phrased in a way that makes me think you might not be accounting for the effects of Momentum when looking at the set? TW is actually not a particularly slow set, overall. You use one moderately-slow attack (roughly KO Blow speed), then four pretty fast attacks, then start over.

I'm disillusioned with TW. I am trying it now as TW/EA (level 41) scrapper and TW/ElA (level 26) scrapper, so this isn't just a quick reaction. I am not comfortable with it.

Maybe it's that it feels like I am chasing Momentum like I would be chasing Fury as a brute. I just want my powers ready to go.

I have a level 50 Elec/SD scrapper and a level 50 DB/WP scrapper. Even with the chaining in the DB, I can use those powers even if they are haven't been setup as part of a chain. That is cool! Yes, TW is amazingly powerful, but half the time I am watching a blaster knock the foes around me away while my Arc of Devastation is still winding up. Blehhh!

I know it's now what the OP originally asked, but I am just annoyed with TW right now.

Whenever you use an attack, if you do not have Momentum, it will use its normal (slow) animation, and grant you Momentum for 5 seconds.

While you have Momentum, your attacks are much faster. Follow Through and Whirling Smash can only be used when you have Momentum; they don't have a slow version. Mids has a toggle for Momentum down by your inherent powers, which will show you the faster activation times. The 5-second Momentum buff is long enough to use up to 4 attacks. Attacks do not refresh Momentum.

Build Momentum gives you Momentum for 10 seconds.

Thank you. Any numbers on the haste percentage? Whats the standart rotation?
I'm guessing since everyone talks about accuracy and kill steal that your attack has to hit something to start momentum.

It's not a haste, it's a flat number. It seems like without momentum, attacks animate in the 2-2.5 second range. With momentum, they're closer to 1 second consistently.

I actually very much enjoy the mechanic. It brings a smile to my face because it's almost like a "dance of death": and...a.......1....2....3....4...everything is dead. It reminds me a little bit of a stalker packing with Assassin's strike as your opener and then a few quick attacks and the boss is down, though Assassin's strike is a MUCH slower animation from hide. All in all it's a very "rhythmic" style of play. If you're used to buzz saw builds, then this is a radical departure. Honestly I don't find myself "chasing momentum" like I chase fury on a brute because you're always just one swing away from having momentum back. It does make missing a bit more aggravating, but not as aggravating as missing your big hits on a stalker! (I swear to God I miss more on Assassin's Strike than I do on every other power, even though I'm way overcapped on its accuracy.)

The main reason I really like the set, though is because its AoE hits hard and has a good range. I can blow up a pack of 6 pretty easily with its 120 degree cones where I can struggle to get more than 2 into the cones from a set like Street Justice.

Your attack has to not roll a miss to give Momentum, but it doesn't have to land before the target dies. Even if the slow attack corpse-blasts, you still get the buff.

And yes, Momentum doesn't just accelerate your animations by some percentage - your attacks use different animations while Momentum is up, not just faster versions of the same animation (Rend Armor swaps left/right, Arc of Destruction is more of a straight-down-thrust than wind-up-and-bring-forward, etc, and the fast attacks don't have wind-up portions like the slow versions). The exact difference in activation time varies by power, but they're all roughly 1 second faster.

There's not really a standard chain overall, although the one PrincessDarkstar mentions seems to be the best for extremely-high-recharge builds. If you can't run that chain, though, it's hard to build a static attack chain at all, since your powers activate at different speeds depending on whether or not you have Momentum at that point in the chain. I play it as more of a priority system than an attack chain - use Follow Through if possible, else use Rend Armor, else use AoD, else use WS, else use CB.

Edit: Another thing worth mentioning to anyone looking to try TW, which hasn't so far been brought up in this thread, is that the set burns through a lot of endurance. It's not impossible to manage the costs, even if you choose a secondary without endurance tools, but it's something any TW build will need to deal with to some degree or another. Cardiac, Ageless, Body Mastery, Elec Armor, slotting a lost of cost reduction, something.

Yes, true. I should have specified "outside of Build Momentum".

And I totally wing it with Titan Weapons ;P

Just in response to the last couple posts, if your TW chain includes whirling smash by necessity to be gapless, that is frankly insane in comparison with any other set. That attack is 14 EPS. If you're using that on a single target it's comparable to being hit with hasten's crash two or three times more often than usual even if you have Armageddon's dam/end quintuple-boosted in it compared to a more typical set's chain. Whew, that's a lot of unsupported comparisons. My point is that it is prima facie one of the most expensive powers you could possibly use in a single target chain as a scrapper. Most sets don't have a power that could possibly be as expensive as slotted whirling smash even if they left it completely unslotted for endurance.