Hybrid Assault Question

Most of the detailed information for these powers refers to you getting other powers, the effects of which are not described. Can any number crunchers tell me which Assault Tier 4 will give the most extra damage? If it matters, this is for a broadsword scrapper.

http://tomax.cohtitan.com/data/power....Hybrid_Silent

That page really isn't helpful. I'm supposed to decode this??

Clicking through on Melee_Tempdamage, we can see that it does 107.09 damage for every AT at level 50. The areafactor term is:
areafactor = 1+ radius*(11*arc+540)/30000
So single-target attacks have an areafactor of 1, Slice has 1.46, Whirling Sword has 2.2, and Head Splitter has 1.25.
All the attacks in Broadsword have base recharge between 1 and 20 seconds, so the minmax() function is irrelevant. From there, the formula can be simplified to
Doublehit damage = (6.85*recharge + 15.4)/areafactor
And doublehit is a 6-PPM proc, so its chance to fire is given by
6*(recharge+activation)/(60*areafactor)
Or, simplified,
proc chance = (recharge+activation)/(10*areafactor)
So, for the Broadsword attacks, Doublehit has the following proc chances and damage:
Hack: 93.3% for 70.2 damage (65.5 average per hit)
Slash: 53.3% for 42.8 (22.8 average per hit)
Slice: 68.5% for 48.1 (33.0 average per hit)
Parry: 43.3% for 36.0 (15.6 average per hit)
Whirling Sword: 75.8% for 50.6 (38.3 average per hit)
Disembowel: 100% for 83.9 (83.9 average per hit)
Head Splitter: 100% for 89.0 (89.0 average per hit)
That's a t4 Radial; lower tiers have lower proc rates and/or damage values.

For comparison, here is the damage per hit that Core t4 would add to those same powers with 5 stacks of its buff, averaging in a 10% crit chance and assuming you're not running into the damage cap:
Hack: 84.7 per hit
Slash: 51.6 per hit
Slice: 63.5 per hit
Parry: 43.3 per hit
Whirling Sword: 65.7 per hit
Disembowel: 101.2 per hit
Head Splitter: 140.3 per hit
So, for this particular powerset, Core wins across the board at 5 stacks. It breaks even around 3 stacks. Radial does have the advantage of doing full damage immediately, though.

I rounded to 1-2 decimal places at several steps; if you want five decimal places of precision, you can do the math yourself

B_L_Angel also made a nice reference chart here: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...6&postcount=47
So yeah, in summary, the math is complex and annoying and also kind of weird since it double-dips on recharge and areafactor (they affect both the proc chance and the damage dealt when the proc fires). And this is all without even getting into what effect the i24 PPM changes will have.

Edit: rearranged areafactor formula to be less ugly, because ugly formulas are ugly, and also usually an obstacle to understanding. Credit to Kosmos for the simplified formula.

Yeesh, why did I do those last calculations by hand?? I've made a spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Gw4X2t4VzNvQUE

I've entered the numbers for Titan Weapons and Broadsword already, but feel free to download a copy for your own use and add in whatever powers you want. Green cells are for entering power info; yellow cells are for adjusting Hybrid power parameters (which Hybrid powers you're comparing, how many stacks of Core's buff you have); red cells do the calculations and should be left alone.
I haven't used Excel in like two years, so it's not very nice to look at, but it should do all the math correctly.

I was really surprised what I got when I entered my main attacks into the spreadsheet. So surprised that I wonder if I screwed up somehow, and I wanted to post it so y'all can double-check me. Because, if this is right, it's basically a wash, and I'll go Radial and take my damage in the form of energy and up-front, thank you very much.

BTW, this is for my FA/EM/PM tanker.

So, my two questions are a) is this right? and b) will the PPM changes likely throw the advantage further towards Core to where it isn't close to a wash any more.

This is the best I could format it, sorry if it's hard to read:

Power - Recharge - Activation - Radius - Arc - Base Damage - Core - Radial


Fireball - 32 - 1 - 15 - 360 - 50.72 - 38.04 - 46.9218953846

Burn - 25 - 2.03 - 8 - 360 - 107.4 - 80.55 - 69.3164363636

Whirling Hands - 14 - 2.5 - 8 - 360 - 44.49 - 33.3675 - 37.9682727273

Energy Transfer - 20 - 2.67 - 0 - 0 - 202.9 - 152.175 - 152.49616

Total Focus - 20 - 3.3 0 - 0 - 158.4 - 118.8 - 152.49616

Barrage - 6 - 1.33 - 0 - 0 - 58.72 - 44.04 - 41.44640016

Fire Blast - 6 - 1.2 - 0 - 0 - 58.72 - 44.04 - 40.7113344

Ring of Fire - 10 - 1.17 - 0 - 0 - 48.94 - 36.705 - 83.95856

I checked your first four powers by hand, and yeah, looks right. Tankers have a lowish damage mod, so they gain less benefit from Core, but Radial is unaffected by AT mods, so it becomes relatively more attractive.

I have read that Doublehit is currently treating Tanker single-target attacks as AoEs because of Gauntlet, so until/unless that is fixed, you will get less benefit on ST attacks than your numbers show, though. You can enter the appropriate Gauntlet radius and 360 for arc to see exactly what the difference will be.

Thanks, Hope! Yeah, I heard that about Gauntlet, but I'm not too worried about that because I assume that'll be fixed soon (I hope I don't eat those words). I'm more concerned about the PPM changes shifting things back towards core, but on another thread someone said they did some fancy maths based on what Posi said and it didn't make a huge difference. I don't have a "high end" build when it comes to recharge anyway, so I'm assuming (there I go again) that I'll be ok. If anyone knows different, please save me from my assumptions :P.