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REVAMP EM set

Aett_Thorn

By Aett_Thorn,
Posted on: 2012-05-30 04:34 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion

 

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Originally Posted by UberGuy View Post
Past and present dev activities show that they do not accept that powersets every become "intentionally obsolete". They have, at this point, a long history of revisiting sets that fall too far below some performance levels they feel are important. So I feel it matters in part because the devs have shown that it matters to them.
I see no evidence of that.

Energy Melee and War Axe are the only sets that has been completely conceptually replaced by a new powerset. Nether have been looked at for a considerable time.

Ice Melee is conceptually unique - it's far more important to look at that, but that set hasn't been touched for ages either.

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More personally, I think it is bad form in any game to let anything that remains a valid choice for new characters to be obsolete. There is no big red label on EM that says "DEPRECATED" letting players know they shouldn't choose it. And they should not be saddled with an inferior experience because they chose it without such a warning. This applies not just to new players (who should be a meaningful focus in a post-Freedom world), but to existing players who may not live and breathe forum discussions on what powersets rank where.
If EM was actually as bad as some people make it out to be, then adding a DEPRECIATED note would be a good idea. But it's really nothing like that bad.

I really should do something about this signature.

 

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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU View Post
I see no evidence of that.
Claws
Martial Arts
Dark Melee
Electric Armor
Energy Aura
Fiery Aura
War Mace
Archery

These are all powersets which were viewed as under-performing in the not-ancient past, and were updated to improve their performance to be closer to that of their peer powersets. There may be others I am forgetting, and I omitted some sets that received small updates to just one power that didn't majorly revamp the set's performance.

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Energy Melee and War Axe are the only sets that has been completely conceptually replaced by a new powerset.
"Conceptual replacement" is not the only sort of obsolescence that's relevant. If a set has poor performance and does not offer some counter-balancing benefit, it is obsolete relative to its peers whether it has been "conceptually" replaced or not.

Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA