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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
What spells did Gandalf cast?
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Then it's time for them to get off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it.
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Originally Posted by St_Angelius
Gandalf wasn't a wizard, he was a Maiar, same as Sauron and the Balrog.
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Originally Posted by Scythus
But isn't this more of a case that in Middle-Earth all Wizards are Maiar, but not all Maiar are Wizards?
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Then it's time for them to get off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it.
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Originally Posted by St_Angelius
The 'Wizards' were Istari, who were an organization of Maiar spirits sent to aid the Free Peoples of Middle-earth against the return and rise of Sauron. They just took the form of old men. Wizard was just how they explained away thier powers.
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Originally Posted by Scythus
Yes, yes, and Pallando and Atari wandered off somewhere. My point is that they're the only beings in the whole saga and background material that are ever even called "Wizards."
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Then it's time for them to get off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it.
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"Allusions to lesser wizards" isn't really evidence enough to call the Istari "not wizards." Hell, Istari is only elvish for "wise ones" which is pretty much the historical meaning of "wizard" anyway (wiz- is from wys which is "wise" in modern English).
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Originally Posted by Scythus
historical meaning of "wizard" anyway (wiz- is from wys which is "wise" in modern English).
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Off-topic discussion of "wizard" semantics is off-topic.