Mm dps

Ahh! I wondered how exactly those drop-downs applied. I've updated the bots, sans patch damage (still not quite sure how to calc: looks like 20s duration @ 3.34/tick, is the activation period the tick frequency?).

I'll update the others tomorrow as I find time.

This makes Commando's Full Auto looks really sad.

Commando on paper looks good. He has several aoe but they are cones and it's much easier if it's a target aoe like the missiles.

Not like Commando or merc/ in general needs any help making sadfaces :P.

@Codewalker: I'll probably just leave the fire damage out for now. Anyone who has played bots knows how crazy that damage is, and that bots are going to outdamage the others in the right circumstances (which you can easily manufacture in most cases).

The thing with Commando is that if he stands far, it benefits Full Auto (more coverage) but to get the most out of Buckshot and Flamethrower, he needs to stand at like 40' range.

It's frustrating that the Soldier's full auto only has 20' arc. That is so narrow.

Yes, Ninjas are incredibly aggressive, which is both a gift and a curse. Especially the Genin.

As for the lack of a place to put RIP IOs, I think that, as well as giving a tad more survivability, their T7 power should be changed. Perhaps it is just because I always pair nins with an active secondary, but I stop using Smoke Flash in the mid 20's. It costs too much endurance. You could conceivably give them something like Gang War instead, with a few alterations. For instance- ninjas strike from the shadows, yes? Then make the ninjas that appear have Hidden on, and give them only melee attacks. This way, they all strike out with a critical at the same time. Have them stick around about 2/3 the time of the Gang War thugs. Give them higher damage but lower health. In this way, not only do Ninjas gain a place to put more of those pet uniques, but they further cement their place as the MM damage kings.

Well that's my first idea for them, my second is this: Giving each ninja the inherent Conservation of Ninjitsu, which works thusly: In any martial arts fight, each side has only a finite amount of ninjitsu in a given encounter. Therefore, one ninja is death incarnate, while an army is nothing but cannon fodder. So give all the ninjas a weakened Vengeance ability that goes off when they die, much like Nemesis lieutenants. The fewer the ninjas remaining, the harder they are to kill and the harder they hit. This effectively turns their squishiness into a weapon.

Installing one or both of these suggestions would make Ninjas an actual force to be reckoned with, as they should be. If both, then of course the extra T7 ninjas should NOT have the vengeance power. Also, make the Oni better at prioritizing, either take away his sword or teach him to use it with one hand and throw fire with the other.

For Mercenaries, Serum is almost universally regarded as suckish. I've personally never tried Mercs so can't comment. However, here be an idea to replace it: Air Strike. You hear a plane fly overhead and bombs drop on parachutes. Each bomb acts like a pseudo-pet so you can slot RIP IOs in it. The bombs do high damage and knockdown, so provides some mitigation too. They would take a bit of time reaching the ground, and would probably be used like Seeker Drones- and alpha absorber. Make the Soldier's Full Auto a wider cone. Shorten the recharge on all of Spec Ops' support abilities by a ton. Take Flash Bang down to 35 seconds and increase the stun. Change Rifle Butt to the ranged stun in Assault Rifle so they run in less. Tear Gas should have a recharge of ~60 seconds and the damage debuff should last the same. Increase the damage on SCAR Snipe. Increase the Immob on Web Grenade so it can be perma without enhancements. If these guys are supposed to be the support then make them actually be support! Also, you should probably change all of the knockback to knockdown, the scatter really hurts damage. Most of their AoE is cones.

Necro is mostly fine, though conceivably you could lower the recharge on Soul Extraction and increase the time they stick around, giving you the oppurtunity to have, say, two at all times. This would give the set even more control and damage, as well as more to-hit debuffs and survivability. Give the zombies Lethal resistance.

Beast's T7 you really couldn't change without changing the basis for the entire set, unless instead of replacing it you are just adding something in. Perhaps change the Hawk in Call Hawk to a pseudo-pet so you could slot in that. Give all but the Dire Wolf a Flashing Steel clone on a very shot recharge (Reppu's idea, one that I like), and give the Dire Wolf's PBAoE a much shorter recharge (10 or 15 seconds) and more damage. This is really the only good AoE Beasts have, make it good enough to make up for it.

I also have an idea for bots which works like Hell On Earth only with gears, but they don't need it. Demons and Thugs of course also don't need improvements.

Anyhow, these are my ideas. And damn, this is the longest post I've made and the first time I've ever consulted City of Data.

If my nonexistent calculations are correct, this should put them all about the same level, or close enough that there is no longer a huge discrepancy.

EDIT: The reason I am suggesting new T7s instead of sumply making it possible to slot pets with the RIP IOs, is... well, that woul be two more slots that you would have to give up in your pets, who need all the slots they can get for acc, end, and damage. There are already three, with a fourth coming out. Sets with that can slot RIP IOs in their T7 would still have the advantage due to saving 5 (soon 6) slots in their main pets. Not only does this mean overall less powerful pets, but that you can't even benefit from set bonuses as well due to not having room to slot a full set.

And that is why I always skip genin. Well.....also because they look silly.

The set is actually pretty playable without them. With them, you deal more damage but you have to work for every point of it, by continually resummoning and rebuffing them. That's fine if you're a hard working and industrious type person. I'm not. I prefer to spend my leisure time leisurously.

Yeah. 3 slots is a lot, especially if you're like me and skip Genin. I guess you could put them all on Genin, if you're not like me. It's not like they live long enough to be having a serious impact on your DPS anyway.

Achilles Heel is a waste on Jounin. His single target damage is high enough he mostly drops his opponents in two or three hits anyway. So, every 2 or 3 targets it will trigger once, and it's roughly 33% likely it will be the kill stroke it triggers on.

It's an awesome proc on mercs, and perhaps grave knights, though.

I was more thinking about slotting AH proc for team situations or ST damage in the context of soloing AVs. Every bit counts against the big bad baddies and -res helps your whole team.

If you just want to do 4/8 radio missions ... yeah i wouldn't bother. Then again i wouldn't bother with ninja/ for that at all. Well maybe ninja/storm just for the lulz and because it would probably actually work without having to constantly resummon.

Not at all. I think AH proc on most minions and some Lts is a waste because they die so fast already. AH proc is good on a boss. If the game setting is too low, AH proc is not even "needed".

AH and Negative procs on Jounins are great especially in tough fights. You have two pets triggering it and don't forget that each -20% resist debuff translate into a much bigger critical hit.

I think my nin/time can do 4/8 as well, but I haven't checked in ages.

-res proc also goes well in summon wolves.

I think nin/therm can be a pretty solid team mm, I just wouldn't want to solo one. Pretty much ever. Much of that can be attributed to my dislike of thermal though .