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I am strongly considering pairing it with Dark Armor. Dark Armor is a very "set and forget" set, with only one click that you'll need to use frequently - thereby minimizing redraw. While DA/ tends to be seen as an endurance hog, using the right form from staff can heavily mitigate that issue (at least until you get a Theft of Essence proc, and then it's not so bad anyways).|
Originally Posted by Beelzy
I've never gotten around to making a tank, but thought I should try, and staff looks like it will be a good option. So, I will be making a tank, am looking more towards resists, and was wondering which primary you like/recommend for using with staff? And, of course, why?
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All of the forms can help DA, depending on the situation.
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So, you are saying that you would run DA/Sta w/ the endurance form, possible chain GS>SR>IS>SS?
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Originally Posted by Beelzy
So, you are saying that you would run DA/Sta w/ the endurance form, possible chain GS>SR>IS>SS?
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
All of the forms can help DA, depending on the situation.
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But yeah, I'm going to make my staffer paired with DA. Then again, I pair everything I can with DA.
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Dechs, I was referring to 'using the right form from staff can heavily mitigate that issue' when I made my statement.
After watching your DA vid I have had a haunting desire to work it into a build. Unfortunately I haven't made a toon with it as an option (except for a stalker, and I really wanted to try ninjutsu) since watching your vid. So, now that I am going to finally make my tank, I think this is the primary to take. That being said, do you think my suggested attack chain is legit?
Also, would you recommend filling the AoEs with Oblits (to cap melee defense and increase recharge) or Erad (for the energy defense and max endurance) plus two or three others (possibly Fury of the Gladiator, which, although expensive, can give KB protection). If I go with Erad frankenslotting, where would I make up the recharge?
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Originally Posted by Beelzy
Also, would you recommend filling the AoEs with Oblits (to cap melee defense and increase recharge) or Erad (for the energy defense and max endurance) plus two or three others (possibly Fury of the Gladiator, which, although expensive, can give KB protection). If I go with Erad frankenslotting, where would I make up the recharge?
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1. Pitiful endurance slotting.
2. Melee defense is nice until you realize most of the -def in the game is ranged. At least with S/L tags, you protect yourself from that kind of thing.
I've got two builds posted on the blog, one for my brute and one for my tank. Those can probably give you plenty of ideas.
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Oblits are a bad idea for several reasons. 1. Pitiful endurance slotting. 2. Melee defense is nice until you realize most of the -def in the game is ranged. At least with S/L tags, you protect yourself from that kind of thing. |
I like Oblits for long recharge powers, like Shield Charge or Lightning Rod, or for very low end cost powers like Burn. That being said, some times there are better set bonuses to be had elsewhere so even then I don't always use Oblits. As always, YMMV.
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Guarded Spin gives melee and lethal defense. It may make sense to build around that and shoot for positional defense (though not with oblits, most likely).
I have been playing around, and am looking at going more towards the typed damage, using oblits in Spring attack and Sky Splitter only. Figuring out other ways to pull up my recharge.
I am currently trying to get the recharge on Sky Splitter to 6.336 without Hasten or Alpha slotting. That would basically be all the recharge I need. (approximately 50% Global recharge). The next step will be working on S/L def.
Looking at the build I have some work to do
DA. With Sky Splitter's resistance bonus you can hardcap every resistance sans energy and toxic, both of which on my build are sitting @ 60%. And if you really wanted to, you could go Melee Hybrid to potentially cap energy and end up being effectively immune to resistance debuffs to everything else, but tbh I'd probably say Assault would be better, because Staff has absolutely awful ST dps, even on a brute, which means it would be even worse on a tank.
I think I have my build builtish, as far as I can without it being on mids.
That being said, I think my defenses are about S/L 44.8, E/N 45.4, Psi 27.9, F/C 40.4...
That being said, I think my resists are about S/L 79.6, En 40.1, Neg 71.5, Fire 61.3, Cold 66.3, Tox 41.1, Psi 85.7...
Would these numbers be workable, and should I aim higher? Ifso, where?
Again, I would like to get these numbers primed prior to going all out on the incarnate junk...
Edit: Sorry, had the Fury of the Gladiator proc causing trouble with my resist numbers. That being said, I juggled my defense around a tad. It didn't change the def numbers much, but did give me an extra 5% to Cold resistance... My kb protection is at 7.
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Those seem good enough, especially if you can get your hands on the Tanker +Res ATO enhancement and put it in an often-used power.
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Originally Posted by Beelzy
I think I have my build builtish, as far as I can without it being on mids.
That being said, I think my defenses are about S/L 44.1, E/N 45.4, Psi 27.2, F/C 40.7... That being said, I think my resists are about S/L 59.6, En 20.1, Neg 51.5, F/C 41.3, Tox 21.1, Psi 65.7... Would these numbers be workable, and should I aim higher? Ifso, where? Again, I would like to get these numbers primed prior to going all out on the incarnate junk... |
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I have that slotted into Innocuous Strikes. I already had one of those drop out of the Super Packs, so that is not a problem. I also have a Gladiator's Armor def proc, and Shield Wall proc. The problem will be getting the Fury -res debuff, to put in Death Shroud. Although running a lot of tip missions and the SSA should get that in less than a month... I'm looking at a cost estimate of around 2.5b plus those three procs through hero merits.|
Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
Those seem good enough, especially if you can get your hands on the Tanker +Res ATO enhancement and put it in an often-used power.
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The question is, should I spend money on buying Erads through the Paragon Market (which will mean that they will effectively become lvl 50 when I get there) or is there a significant difference. I will likely buy them if they are on sale for half price...
Edit: Apologies, the numbers listed prior incorporated the ATO proc. Please subtract 6.7% from each for the non-proc numbers.
Even store bought erads should stop leveling at 30.
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Dechs,
Last I checked, they do not self-cap.
Although there is the possibility that they will 'fix' that in the future.
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OH? Wow. That's big. For me at least.|
Originally Posted by Beelzy
Dechs,
Last I checked, they do not self-cap. Although there is the possibility that they will 'fix' that in the future. |
Funny, I was thinking "I'll do another dark/ tank..." and it sounds like a lot of others have the same idea. I'm torn btw TW & staff, but I figure I'll just go staff by default since it will be the "new" shiny.
My build is looking something like:
def: s/l: 31%, f/c: 45%, e/n: 36%, psi 27%
mel: 35% ranged 35% aoe 45%
res: s/l: 80%, f/c: 54%, e: 38%, n:72.8%, psi 86.4%
with AIO proc up & shield wall proc (thinking I might *finally* shell out for one) & no alpha.
I'll probably go cardiac for another ~4-6% resist and all that extra end, although the heal/acc/end vigor is tempting as well.
I'll need to skip CoF
and one of the staff attacks... we'll see, trying to fit CoF back in.
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According to Paragonwiki, you are incorrect.|
Originally Posted by Beelzy
Dechs,
Last I checked, they do not self-cap. Although there is the possibility that they will 'fix' that in the future. |
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Attuned
It is possible that Pwiki got this wrong, but I'm going to go with "not bloody likely, unless it's actually a bug and the SBEs are not WAI."
EDIT: This is from the paragon market in game:
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| The Eradication: +Accuracy/+Damage/+Recharge/+Endurance Enhancement is a RARE Enhancement designed for PBAoE Damage Powers. The effective level range is for Level 10 to 30 characters. This enhancement will scale with the user from Level 10 to 30. Once purchased, please log into the game with your PBAoE Damage character and "claim" it through the in-game email system. A part of a set, 5 of 6. |
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I have one on a level 31 toon, it is now showing 22% in the accuracy/recharge Basilisk's Proc. Which is the level 31 level not the level 30 level rate. I checked on Test and have KinComs working at level 50...
I will send the screenshot with a bug report, but this is how it has been working since the market enhancements have been implemented. It was actually one part of the reason I purchased Basilisk's on the PM rather than buying them normally. So, if it is not WaI I will be quite disappointed.
I have reported it, it appears to be under review, they have not stated whether or not it is WaI or neigh... It appears that there was a mis-connect between those involved in writing the description and those writing the code, and nobody knows whether or not the market enhancements were supposed to be capped or not.
Currently they are not capped, but whether they will be capped in the future I cannot tell you. Again, they are currently not capped, which means they are, at this moment, much better than their normal counterparts because they scale up to lvl 50. However, that may come to an end as it is currently under review.
I've never gotten around to making a tank, but thought I should try, and staff looks like it will be a good option. So, I will be making a tank, am looking more towards resists, and was wondering which primary you like/recommend for using with staff? And, of course, why?