Help me choose... ??? / regen, for fun not min/max

I've never played a /regen scrapper, I'm going to finally roll one up and I was looking for ideas of a good primary synergy wise.

I'm thinking I will more focus on Single targets...I've been running the brutes with AOE's to death, and my only 50 scrappers are a Spines/dark AOE monster. I'm not going to skip any AOE's mind you...or purposely gimp myself and I will be eventually IO'ing up and running Incarnate with this guy hopefully.

So, help me out...

(more info... NO PVP, NO farming, I'll probably PL myself until late 20's/32ish. I know how to play lower levels, I'm not going to hurt any teams by PLing to 30, but I like to get the toys a little quicker nowadays)

Oh...and what are the biggest hurdles in the life of a /regen?

Thanks for all the help!

I think anything will be good with /regen but if redraw bugs you then obviously none of the weapon sets, regen = very clicky. If you want ST, i'd say StJ. Especially if you're PL to 32, its a good set but crushing uppercut couldn't come quicker.

DM also works pretty good with regen, never tried them together myself but i've heard it works well.

Really i don't think you can go wrong if you're not trying to min/max or anything in specific. My first 50 was BS/regen, was fairly smooth from 1-50 but that was some time ago, really the only thing that will hurt /regen would be -rech. Maybe -regen as well and if any fights last to long and none of your clickies are back up.

Dark Melee/Regen has nice symmetry. The -ToHit on just about everything gives your high +regen time to make up for any dmg, and Siphon Life, when franken-slotted, adds even more HPS without breaking your attack chain. DM is VERY ST-focused, so it will do exactly what you want.

With /Regen, Recharge is key. Slot for it like crazy, get Perma-Dull Pain and Perma-hasten. At higher levels, get some +Def, and you'll be very happy. Don't worry about slotting for +regen or +recovery, you'll end up with tons of both without really trying.

The Soul Patron Pool works well with this combo (Dark Blast, Shadow Meld), along with Rebirth Destiny.

If you decide to go this route, post here or PM me, I have lots of other little tips and tricks. I LOVE my DM/Regen - he's been my main for a very long time.

Katana/Regen. What Regen wants is mitigation. Katana provides. But yes, you have to be able to stomach redraw. It doesn't bother me personally.

The biggest hurdle with Regen is learning too play it. It's a school of hard knocks. It's also very, very rewarding when you get it right.

And I agree with everything Xyzor said.

Titan weapons/Regen would be good too...TW loves end and Regen has tons to give...

Oh and I hear claws isn't bad with Regen either, since I played one to 50 and was my main for a long time.

Check the link in my sig for help on Regen toons in general...slotting ideas...what powers do, how they are effective...

More regeneration is, of course, better than less regeneration. But almost anything else is going to contribute more to your overall survivability. Think of it as diminishing returns, if you wish. Or consider that survivability is, very roughly, your damage mitigation * regeneration. You're already swimming in regeneration, but you have very little mitigation. Adding more mitigation will have a much greater payoff. As for recharge, that's both healing AND mitigation since you'll have click powers that do both. And of course recharge is also important for your DPS. So you get huge benefit out of recharge.

One thing to keep in mind with regen is that you'll be clicking regen powers more than you'd be clicking in any other set. So it can get in the way of sets that you want to be able to chain your attacks together quickly. This would be most noticeable on dual blades, titan weapons, and street justice, since all reward you in some way for using attacks rapidly and not interspersing other powers with your attacks.

As someone else already mentioned, if redraw bugs you, you might not like any of the weapon sets either.

Personally, I didn't like it, due to the lack of AoE, but DM/Regen is a great combo. DM is fantastic ST damage, and the to-hit debuffs, and the heal in siphon life add survivability to regen.

ELM/Regen!

Knock enemies down, heal, repeat!

Dark Melee has the -ToHit, as others have mentioned.

Electric has knockdown and end drain.

Katana/Broadsword have DA/Parry.

Titan Weapons has Defensive Sweep.

Staff Fighting (when it comes) will be able to buff you in various ways.

Street Justice has some stuns and knockdown.

Really, any of those should work. If you were min/maxing the list would narrow slightly but you aren't. I'd actually suggest holding off for Staff if you can play something else for awhile. It seems like it will pair nicely with Regen.

@Rorn ---- Blue Baron ---- Guardian

I am excited for Staff as well. I am fighting the urge to pair it with Regen only because I play Regen all the time. I think I am going staff/ea, just for something different and because Regen is very clicky. Staff has a lot of nice fast attacks that I would rather be clicking, but the combo should still be great fun, enjoy!!!

For ***** and giggles, here is my current DM/Regen Build. It's expensive, but who cares...

The highlights, if you don't care to look over the whole build:
Perma-Hasten and DP
750% regen
230% Recovery
33.8% S/L Def and 31.6% S/L Resist
170+% Recharge
953,000% Own Face/Sexy


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Xyzor: Level 50 Science Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Regeneration
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Smite -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(7), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/Rchg(9), P'ngS'Fest-Acc/Dmg(9)
Level 1: Fast Healing -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(3), RgnTis-Regen+(11)
Level 2: Reconstruction -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-Rchg(5), Dct'dW-Heal(11), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(13), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(13)
Level 4: Quick Recovery -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-End%(5), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(15)
Level 6: Fly -- Winter-ResSlow(A)
Level 8: Siphon Life -- Hectmb-Dam%(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(17), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(17), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(19), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(19), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(21)
Level 10: Dull Pain -- Dct'dW-Heal(A), Dct'dW-Rchg(21), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(23), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(23), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(25)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(25)
Level 14: Hover -- Srng-EndRdx/Fly(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(43)
Level 16: Integration -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(27), Mrcl-Rcvry+(27)
Level 18: Boxing -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Knock%(29), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(37), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(43)
Level 20: Resilience -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(40)
Level 22: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(29), GA-3defTpProc(31)
Level 24: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(31), LkGmblr-Def(31)
Level 26: Soul Drain -- Armgdn-Dam%(A), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(33), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(34), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(34)
Level 28: Instant Healing -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Numna-Heal/Rchg(36)
Level 30: Touch of Fear -- Abys-Fear/Rng(A), Abys-Acc/Fear/Rchg(42), Abys-EndRdx/Fear(45), Abys-Acc/EndRdx(48), Abys-Dam%(48)
Level 32: Midnight Grasp -- SScrappersS-Acc/Dmg(A), SScrappersS-Dmg/Rchg(37), SScrappersS-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), SScrappersS-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), SScrappersS-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), SScrappersS-Rchg/+Crit(39)
Level 35: Dark Blast -- Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(A), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(40), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(40), Apoc-Dam%(42), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42)
Level 38: Moment of Glory -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), RechRdx-I(43)
Level 41: Shadow Meld -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(45), LkGmblr-Rchg+(45)
Level 44: Soul Storm -- BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(A), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(46), BasGaze-Acc/Hold(50), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(50)
Level 47: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(48), LkGmblr-Rchg+(50)
Level 49: Revive -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 50: Spiritual Core Paragon
Level 50: Void Core Final Judgement
Level 50: Spectral Radial Flawless Interface
Level 50: Cimeroran Core Superior Ally
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Level 2: Swift -- Flight-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(46), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(46)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-End%(15)
Level 1: Brawl -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(33), KntkC'bat-Knock%(34), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(36)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 1: Sprint -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run

Here's mine.

It's a slightly different tactic than Xyzor's, but should perform equally awesome.

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Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Claws
Secondary Power Set: Regeneration
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Strike -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(23), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(34), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 1: Fast Healing -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(15)
Level 2: Slash -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(23), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(31), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), Achilles-ResDeb%(46)
Level 4: Reconstruction -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(5), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Dct'dW-Heal(39), Dct'dW-Rchg(40)
Level 6: Spin -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(7), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(7), SScrappersS-Acc/Dmg(13), SScrappersS-Rchg/+Crit(37), SScrappersS-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 8: Follow Up -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(9), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(9), Rec'dRet-ToHit/Rchg(17), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Rec'dRet-ToHit(48)
Level 10: Dull Pain -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(11), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Dct'dW-Heal(40), Dct'dW-Rchg(40)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Ksmt-ToHit+(13)
Level 14: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(15)
Level 16: Integration -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(17), Heal-I(50)
Level 18: Focus -- Apoc-Dmg(A), Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(19), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(33), Apoc-Dam%(34)
Level 20: Resilience -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam(21), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(21), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(36)
Level 22: Kick -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(43), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(45), KntkC'bat-Knock%(50)
Level 24: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam(25), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(25), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(36), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(37)
Level 26: Eviscerate -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(27), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), SScrappersS-Dmg/Rchg(42), SScrappersS-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), SScrappersS-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 28: Instant Healing -- Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Numna-Heal/Rchg(29), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(29), Numna-Heal(45)
Level 30: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(31), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(31)
Level 32: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(33), LkGmblr-Def(33)
Level 35: Shockwave -- Ragnrk-Dmg(A), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(36), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(46), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(48)
Level 38: Moment of Glory -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), RechRdx-I(39)
Level 41: Focused Accuracy -- Rec'dRet-ToHit(A), Rec'dRet-ToHit/Rchg(42)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- RgnTis-Regen+(A), P'Shift-End%(45)
Level 47: Quick Recovery -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(48)
Level 49: Super Jump -- ULeap-Stlth(A)
Level 50: Spiritual Core Paragon
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(50)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), P'Shift-End%(3), P'Shift-EndMod(3)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run

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I see folks mention TW/Regen fairly often. Other than having QR to fuel TW, I would have thought TW's animations would be a bit dodgy with Regen's sometimes need to click something in a hurry. Does that become more of a non-issue once you get your momentum rolling? (I haven't built a TW character yet, despite having picked it up when it came out. Too many alts!)

No but if you slot it right, you can get your Ranged/AoE defense in your powers through bonuses and tack on a few defense powers from the pools, and a set or 2 of melee damage adding defense bonuses to melee and I would bet you could get close. If you took shadowmeld and MoG you would also literally have 45 seconds of softcapping if you needed it/were short with only a 12-15 second break before it was up again. During that last shadowmeld hit IH and DP should be permanent already...you should be fine and if you get into trouble use rebirth then hit build momentum and get after it knocking them all down again.

I haven't actually studied what's possible with Titan Weapons, so I can't comment intelligently there.

But you could softcap a Katana/Regen to all positions, and incarnate softcap most of the time by juggling Moment of Glory, Shadow Meld and Barrier. They can also serve as your "defense debuff resistance" by interrupting cascading defense failure. That said, I believe that something more like 35% ranged/AoE with Rebirth and more recharge is even better, but you *could* go the defensive route.

Wait, I can't stop talking about min/max even when I shouldn't be. Sorry! Off topic!

welcome back buddy...I have a brute build for you to look at...katana/dark armor of course...

The combo of Shadow Meld/MoG along with IH/Rebirth is flat out awesome. You can always have at least 1, and often 2 huge dmg mitigation (either avoidance or mega-regen) abilities working at once. Because of the animation time, I prefer to lead-in with Shadow Meld, then pop MoG afterwards if my judgement isn't up. If I'm getting hit a lot for some reason, Rebirth/IH during the Gap, as Planet_J said. And there is always Reconstruction for when things are particularly tough (and, with DM, Siphon Life in your attack chain).

The set is very clicky, but you have so many survival tools, it is almost hard to get killed (End Drain and Complacency is about all that ever gets me nowadays).

I've never played TW, but I've played a couple SS toons, and I think the Knockdown would pair nicely with Regen for the most part. I also don't play weapon sets (other than Staff), so I also don't know how annoying redraw is, or how it would interfere with the clicky nature of Regen.