1) You do realise the Shadow Shard IS Rularuu's prison? That's the whole point. There is no one place where he is imprisoned.
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Phase 1: 100 of every minion type? So an uber hunt, then. Uber boring, too.
Phase 2: Can't teleport? That is going to suck big time. The rest is just confusing.
Phase 3: Again, there IS no cell. All attacks are one shot KOs? So like a bigger, cheatier version of Hami, then. Again, this sounds like a giant ol' heap of not a lot of fun. Pain, in fact.
3) Four arm rigs are impossible, currently. Locking EATs behind this would piss SO many people off.
So, yeah. Not happening. /Unsigned for good measure.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
1) You do realise the Shadow Shard IS Rularuu's prison? That's the whole point. There is no one place where he is imprisoned.
2) Phase 1: 100 of every minion type? So an uber hunt, then. Uber boring, too. Phase 2: Can't teleport? That is going to suck big time. The rest is just confusing. Phase 3: Again, there IS no cell. All attacks are one shot KOs? So like a bigger, cheatier version of Hami, then. Again, this sounds like a giant ol' heap of not a lot of fun. Pain, in fact. 3) Four arm rigs are impossible, currently. Locking EATs behind this would piss SO many people off. So, yeah. Not happening. /Unsigned for good measure. |
2) I know it's his prison and since it IS a prison there has to be a place he hangs out to keep spies or whatever from spying (to make it logical since it isn't reality and it's not thought through that far) so the "cell" is basically a room. The Chantry and the Storm Palace aren't cells either, they are fortresses as is Rularuu's place of protection from Lanaruu and others.
3) The no teleport thing teaches the league to come prepared and spam heals. It's a strategy.
4) The more action the more fun it wil be, that's the majority's taste.
5) Anything at this point can be a "bigger, cheatier version of Hami" We are talking about a being that destroys universes and according to the Ouroboros guys it will be Paragon City's only chance against the Coming Storm, so even in reality he is a bigger, cheatier version of Hami
6) You didnt even look through the logic in this and you immediately thought I'm a young brat who says "oooo this is cool" without thinking. There is more to this I didn't mention that you don't see and it's not worth mentioning now.
7) I don't know anything about animating and I doubt you know enough either but as I see in Dual Blades/Pistols and Staff Melee, it can be done. The EAT are also for F2P, these archtypes are going to be a lot more rewarding to get and a lot harder so not going to see many of them very often.
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Originally Posted by The_Technophile
2) I know it's his prison and since it IS a prison there has to be a place he hangs out to keep spies or whatever from spying (to make it logical since it isn't reality and it's not thought through that far) so the "cell" is basically a room. The Chantry and the Storm Palace aren't cells either, they are fortresses as is Rularuu's place of protection from Lanaruu and others.
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Essentially you're suggesting the devs put a bunch of work into completely duplicating just about every animation in the game to a brand new player rig. They've already come out and flat SAID it's not happening anytime soon.
Good luck with that.
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Lol Well said but you are as wrong as right. The no TP thing was to prevent Incandescent and any other TP to TP from the hospital to the other side, therefore rezzers are a must. OF COURSE travel powers would be excluded. Logic is understanding and you definitely do not have my understanding, that's my fault because I'm not giving all the information on each detail.|
Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
No. The shard IS is prison. As in they entire frickin' thing IS Rularuu. There's no "cell" someplace with Rularuu locked behind a door. He's behind the walls, under the floors and above the ceiling.
And penalizes those who use TP as their travel power. NO. Uhm. NO. Mindless button mashing isn't fun. And you're not qualified to state what "the majority's" tastes are by failure of the "are you, yourself a majority?" acid test. That doesn't mean we should welcome it or worse, beg for it. I see the thought process. That doesn't mean it's "logic". It simply means you've constructed an idea chain. It doesn't mean it's a "good" idea chain. And it doesn't mean it's going to result in something people are going to want to run. Okay, standard code rant. Essentially you're suggesting the devs put a bunch of work into completely duplicating just about every animation in the game to a brand new player rig. They've already come out and flat SAID it's not happening anytime soon. Good luck with that. |
If the devs said that then fine, it's JUST AN IDEA! The main idea is said in the title, the rest is just my ideas that can be manufactured to their full potential ONLY by actually conversing in physical appearance. I can't explain my vision in typing, it cancels out my actual charisma. I expected people to have a little imagination and cooperating by suggesting other things instead of immediately falsifying every detail without even thinking of the power of Benefit of the Doubt.
And yes, the mediocre players of this world like button mashing. Actual gamers enjoy more sophisticated play.
And you completely missed when I said "cell" meant his sanctuary. The same as Faathim and Lanaruu. If you're going to argue right then read and understand what it is about.
This argument will never end because we both think we are smarter than the other. And we both know no one really needs falsification and suggestions only help the devs if this catches their eyes. So let's do everyone a favor and just not argue and improve this concept, or shut up, instead of saying "NO."
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i agree with hyper and techbot, there is NOTHING fun sounding about this trial
i would like to see shadow shard stuff be used more, but this is ridiculous sounding and nobody ever in their right mind would run it
people already rarely run CoP trials (partially cause of design and partially cause of absolute crud for rewards)
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Read what I posted before your comment. This is my idea which cannot be explained fully through typing. And the devs aren't going to copy/paste this, they will obviously improve or just take pieces and make the rest their own.|
Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
i agree with hyper and techbot, there is NOTHING fun sounding about this trial
i would like to see shadow shard stuff be used more, but this is ridiculous sounding and nobody ever in their right mind would run it people already rarely run CoP trials (partially cause of design and partially cause of absolute crud for rewards) |
The idea was just "FOR FUN!" as the 3rd button to get to this page says. You guys are acting like this is a profession and not "going with the flow."
The rest I want to say is already in the previous post.
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Not possible, otherwise teleport would be possible in Pocket D without adding TP friend. As it is, ALL TP is blocked by that power. That seems to be a tech limitation. Now I might well be wrong. HOWEVER, all current 'no TP' blocks in game are, to date, carpet ones. Ergo, that is highly likely to be a code issue.|
Originally Posted by The_Technophile
Lol Well said but you are as wrong as right. The no TP thing was to prevent Incandescent and any other TP to TP from the hospital to the other side, therefore rezzers are a must. OF COURSE travel powers would be excluded. Logic is understanding and you definitely do not have my understanding, that's my fault because I'm not giving all the information on each detail.
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And yes, the mediocre players of this world like button mashing. Actual gamers enjoy more sophisticated play. And you completely missed when I said "cell" meant his sanctuary. The same as Faathim and Lanaruu. If you're going to argue right then read and understand what it is about. |
The Shadow Shard IS Rularuu. The Aspects, i.e. Faathim and Lanaruu, are PART of Rularuu. The ONLY way to fight Rularuu as a whole is for the entire Shard to be melded back into one, big, dimension swallowing thing. Rularuu. If you are going to argue make sure you actually understand the lore before spouting your ignorance. Just, y'know, an idea.
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Backhanded way of calling you idiots? Now you are putting words in my mouth. I'm implying something else that is soooooo not worth telling because you just don't seem to get what I'm saying and are looking for a fight.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Not possible, otherwise teleport would be possible in Pocket D without adding TP friend. As it is, ALL TP is blocked by that power. That seems to be a tech limitation. Now I might well be wrong. HOWEVER, all current 'no TP' blocks in game are, to date, carpet ones. Ergo, that is highly likely to be a code issue.
Nice backhanded way of calling us all idiots. Your 'actual charisma' doesn't seem to be doing too well here. The Shadow Shard IS Rularuu. The Aspects, i.e. Faathim and Lanaruu, are PART of Rularuu. The ONLY way to fight Rularuu as a whole is for the entire Shard to be melded back into one, big, dimension swallowing thing. Rularuu. If you are going to argue make sure you actually understand the lore before spouting your ignorance. Just, y'know, an idea. |
I don't know fully the lore of Rularuu, you got me there, I was just confused due to seeing a CoH looking made photo of the guy so I didn't bother finishing the lore which meant missing the part that it explains it.
I'm not yelling or trying to make you feel stupid. I'm trying to explain myself and you are just trying to find a fight. Well I'm not giving it to you. y'know, Benefit of the Doubt.
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Originally Posted by The_Technophile
Read what I posted before your comment. This is my idea which cannot be explained fully through typing. And the devs aren't going to copy/paste this, they will obviously improve or just take pieces and make the rest their own.
The idea was just "FOR FUN!" as the 3rd button to get to this page says. You guys are acting like this is a profession and not "going with the flow." The rest I want to say is already in the previous post. |
and basically what techbot says in his first post in the thread is my feelings on if this were implemented a massive hunt followed by battles with cheap shotting AVs is not fun, justin augustine tf is already full of rularuu hunts and its incredibly boring to run. also based on the lore making faathim an enemy and lanaruu actually working with rularuu would be breaking every bit of lore that was part of this game (aside from the facts that faathim has 0 powers that do dmg)
we also already have a battle against a baddy with 90% res to everything and his name is reichsman, which in the kahn tf is again also incredibly boring
with the final battle fighting a baddy with autohit 1 shotting powers would be again nearly impossible and extremely not fun, the likelyhood that ANY of it would be implemented would be pretty much 0 (we already had autohit stuff that nearly 1 shotted us with the keyes trial antimatter pulse and that was extremely hated by pretty much all players and it was eventually toned down, and even the hamidon has stuff that bypasses all def and resist unless you use a special inspiration)
there is technically a NPC model of rularuu the ravager which can be used in demo edits as well as devs when they do large scale in game events (i think zwillinger used the rularuu the ravager model during the freedom server praetorian invasion), in terms of actual game lore rularuu the ravager was sealed in the shadow shard which is more a portal into his mind than an actual prison)
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And no, actually. Not looking for a fight. However, you seem to be under the illusion that everyone is going to, or should, agree with your suggestion instantly. This being a forum, people are going to have their own opinions. You have made a number of suggestions (i.e. three 1-Hit KO attacks for the end boss) that strike me (and clearly others) as not fun. Ditto the no TP, etc.
And you will get people correcting you on the lore here, especially if you are provably wrong. There is indeed a Rularuu model in-game, but it's not used for a number of reasons, main of them being that, as is observable with the Jade Spider, really big enemies are actually really hard to physically fight, due to anchoring/hit-box problems. That's a technical limit right there. Hami doesn't count, due to the individual 'blocks' that make him up being smaller parts of a bigger group.
Summary: This is the internet, and a public(ish) forum. If you can't stomach any criticism, you won't last long.
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I didn't say Rularuu's 3 attacks to be autohit, I said only the single target. Sorry if I mislead you. I didn't mean it as an insult I just expected people to be nice and calm. If what you said about the forums is true then I can't stomach it. I'm not use to internet and have expectations that aren't genuine.
Sorry for implying you're picking a fight but that's basically what arguments are and I retaliated. Hope we can forget any sense of hatred or demise.
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Even then, even with the current leagues, there are no unavoidable, auto-hit insta-KO powers. There are powers that can 1-H-KO if you don't move out of range (Maelstrom, TPN trial) and there are plenty of fething auto-hit attacks (Antimatter pulse, Keyes Reactor Trial)
And, given this is suggested as a high tier Trial, anyone who isn't permanently inside a layer of Barrier-spam is probably going to get hit anyway, given how high the accuracy of Incarnate mobs are.
Ultimately my (and I hope others) point is not 'OMG never suggest anything EVAH!'. Although there are some people like that, sadly (flip side of that, there ARE some people who should never suggest anything, evah, because all their suggestions have been universally bad 
) However, bare in mind that people will have opinions, will voice them, and there will be peeps who bring numbers, lore and mechanics to bear quite heavily.
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Originally Posted by The_Technophile
Lol Well said but you are as wrong as right. The no TP thing was to prevent Incandescent and any other TP to TP from the hospital to the other side, therefore rezzers are a must. OF COURSE travel powers would be excluded. Logic is understanding and you definitely do not have my understanding, that's my fault because I'm not giving all the information on each detail.
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Rularuu is essentially a stand-in for Ymir. He's not any one place. He essentially IS the Shard.
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We're saying "no" because your idea has some technical and canonical holes in it big enough to steer a colonial fleet through.
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Read what I posted before your comment. This is my idea which cannot be explained fully through typing.
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If it is so obtuse of an idea that you can't even express it properly and in a meaningful matter to another person how in the hell do you expect a Dev to pick something up and run with it?
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Featuring all 7 of it's Aspects (With Faathim the Kind and Lanaruu the Mad minipulated to Rularuu's side).
My idea is quite complicated but thought through. There are 3 phases for this raid:
Phase one: Activate all Keys in the Storm Palace after defeating 100 Brutes, 100 Wisps, 100 Nutterlings and 100 Eyes. Then inside the storm palace will be Lanaruu pissed and as the battle goes it summons a giant storm cloud every 5% of his health. After defeating him a portal to a new Shadow Shard zone opens which leads to Rularuu's prison cell.
Phase 2: from where the portal sends you to, 3 miles across is the prison cell of Rularuu which is just a humongus Storm Palace/Chantry. In this zone you cannot teleport or be teleported and hospital is at the portal. To enter the cell you need a special badge which is given when completing a TF based on Rularuu trying to escape with a plan but needs to be continued at the raid AND needing to defeat his 7 aspects for them to merge into the destroyer of dimensions. Each Aspect has a unique way to defeat or make it killable according to its aspect, e.x. Faathim is empathic so he has 1 HP left and is a non-attacking ally and can't regenerate, to make him a villain the league must heal him to 100%. When he is an ally and enemy he heals and buffs the other aspects.
Another is Ruladak which is Rularuu's strength so he has 95% res to all damage and requires alot of resistance debuffers to kill him. The league needs to fight them all at once on a large island next to the Cell.
Phase 3: Entering his cell. He is an enormmous being as documented in Paragon Wiki. He has 3 attacks and all are one hit KOs, a cone, location AoE and a single target autohit. He has every buff and advantage that the Aspects had like 95% res to all. And to make it tougher each 1/7 of health he loses releases an aspect.
Prizes: This is NOT for PUG leagues so it should be rewarded heavily. I thought giving it a vast amount of mouth drooling rewards like Rularuu based epic archtypes: a four-armed brute which is melee based or a ranged based Wisp (seperated rewards), 3 hero/villain merits or 150 reward merits, 1 reward token, etc.
This depends vastly on what the 7th signature story arc tells since Rularuu is based upon it.
Making the story is quite simple but those are the devs jobs. Like the raid doesn't kill it it just foils it's plans and remains stuck in the Shadow Shard.
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