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Apparently the answer is, "Yes." because we've been asking for it for nearly 7 years. And tho I doubt you'll find anyone that wouldn't love this feature, the devs have no interest in making anything easier for Solo SG's and have said so.|
Originally Posted by Derdriu
Would a Supergroup Name Change Token be too much of a stretch?
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Aside from that, super group name changing tokens can easily be abused by anyone that manages to get promoted to Super Leader rank. We've seen SG's and bases stolen by both new members and veteran SG members with years of membership in an SG.
All a dishonest person has to do if he gets the SL rank is kick all the SG members, Get an alt invited to the SG using a second account, transfer leadership to the alt, change the SG name, and pretend his main character was kicked along with everyone else.
He gets a new solo SG, and the former SG members are screwed. CS/GM's will not get involved because the Super Leader owns the SG and can do whatever he likes with it. That was the whole point of creating that rank in the first place. So CS/GM's could stay uninvolved with internal SG drama.
Even if the name change token had a timer before it went into effect, all that would happen is the thief simply waits for the timer to expire, and the name changes before logging onto the character that now controls the SG.
Ahh. I can understand not wanting to be involved in the drama. Guess the drama is why we can't have nice things. lol Thanks for the answer. 
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Not a problem. I'm in the same boat as you, having inherited a couple of SG's a couple of years ago that I would love to change the names.|
Originally Posted by Derdriu
Ahh. I can understand not wanting to be involved in the drama. Guess the drama is why we can't have nice things. lol Thanks for the answer.
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As to the drama yeah it can get ugly. I recall a big brujah a couple of years ago when the leader of a really big and active SG decided to cancel his subscription. Instead of handing over the leadership of the SG to another member he simply logged on, kicked everyone from the SG and then quit the SG himself so everything the SG had earned and stored was deleted. Boy were people pissed off.
Personally I hope the devs change their minds someday and give us some of these things.
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It's always a risk. But Im for the SG token rename option.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Not a problem. I'm in the same boat as you, having inherited a couple of SG's a couple of years ago that I would love to change the names.
As to the drama yeah it can get ugly. I recall a big brujah a couple of years ago when the leader of a really big and active SG decided to cancel his subscription. Instead of handing over the leadership of the SG to another member he simply logged on, kicked everyone from the SG and then quit the SG himself so everything the SG had earned and stored was deleted. Boy were people pissed off. Personally I hope the devs change their minds someday and give us some of these things. |
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I remember that D-bag. He actually came back and pulled the exact same stunt a second time.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Not a problem. I'm in the same boat as you, having inherited a couple of SG's a couple of years ago that I would love to change the names.
As to the drama yeah it can get ugly. I recall a big brujah a couple of years ago when the leader of a really big and active SG decided to cancel his subscription. Instead of handing over the leadership of the SG to another member he simply logged on, kicked everyone from the SG and then quit the SG himself so everything the SG had earned and stored was deleted. Boy were people pissed off. Personally I hope the devs change their minds someday and give us some of these things. |
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Not a problem. I'm in the same boat as you, having inherited a couple of SG's a couple of years ago that I would love to change the names.
As to the drama yeah it can get ugly. I recall a big brujah a couple of years ago when the leader of a really big and active SG decided to cancel his subscription. Instead of handing over the leadership of the SG to another member he simply logged on, kicked everyone from the SG and then quit the SG himself so everything the SG had earned and stored was deleted. Boy were people pissed off. Personally I hope the devs change their minds someday and give us some of these things. |
What sucks is you can't avoid asshattery on the internet. It's gonna happen regardless. I guess you can only just minimize damage.
I'm still gonna hold out hope that they'll change their minds. And in the mean time... get creative in base building to make up for the kooky name I've inherited. lol
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Here's the thing: I realize there's always going to be a certain level of "asshattery" on the Internet and no matter what precautions the Devs do to prevent that kind of thing from happening here there's always going to be a certain amount that leaks through. As Forbin_Project pointed out there are already people doing nasty things to SGs even -without- the ability to change SG names. Yes I agree that if we had a SG name change token that it would give the people who are going to do bad things one more tool to cause further trouble.
But I'm not exactly sure you could say that the addition of a SG name change token would necessarily make things any worse than they already are. A system is already in place to maintain "law and order" as it were. As long as people responsibly maintain control of the Super Leader rank then bad things are going to be kept to a minimum regardless.
It's not the Devs' fault if the wrong person gets a hold of the Super Leader rank. Players ultimately have the responsibility of taking care of who controls a SG whether we have the ability to change SG names or not. Several years ago the Devs changed the game to introduce the Super Leader rank to the game. This set the stage among other things to make SG renames realistically practical. I'm just hoping they'll eventually follow through with it.
As a recap I have mentioned before that I'm in favor of a SG rename token that has a one month cooldown period. The vast majority of "legitimate" players will likely only want to change a SG name once so this cooldown will not adversely affect them. But it will effectively mitigate anyone who would like to quickly change names more than once for naughty purposes. The cooldown coupled with the Super Leader rank should be enough of a safeguard for this.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Here's the thing: I realize there's always going to be a certain level of "asshattery" on the Internet and no matter what precautions the Devs do to prevent that kind of thing from happening here there's always going to be a certain amount that leaks through. As Forbin_Project pointed out there are already people doing nasty things to SGs even -without- the ability to change SG names. Yes I agree that if we had a SG name change token that it would give the people who are going to do bad things one more tool to cause further trouble.
But I'm not exactly sure you could say that the addition of a SG name change token would necessarily make things any worse than they already are. A system is already in place to maintain "law and order" as it were. As long as people responsibly maintain control of the Super Leader rank then bad things are going to be kept to a minimum regardless. It's not the Devs' fault if the wrong person gets a hold of the Super Leader rank. Players ultimately have the responsibility of taking care of who controls a SG whether we have the ability to change SG names or not. Several years ago the Devs changed the game to introduce the Super Leader rank to the game. This set the stage among other things to make SG renames realistically practical. I'm just hoping they'll eventually follow through with it. As a recap I have mentioned before that I'm in favor of a SG rename token that has a one month cooldown period. The vast majority of "legitimate" players will likely only want to change a SG name once so this cooldown will not adversely affect them. But it will effectively mitigate anyone who would like to quickly change names more than once for naughty purposes. The cooldown coupled with the Super Leader rank should be enough of a safeguard for this. |
I've been thinking about the cooldown and was wondering if it could be possible that when the token is used it does two additional things.
1. Generates a daily countdown warning for all SG members that the name will be changing in "x" days.
2. Send an email to everyone that was on the SG Roster 30 days before the token was activated letting them know what the new SG name is going to be and the character name and Global name of the person who used the token, then when the name change takes effect another email gets sent out announcing the name change and the Super Leaders character name and global name.
That way everyone will know what's going on and in the event of asshattery booting everyone and then changing the name they will still be notified who is responsible.
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I'm not against adding reasonable safeguards to this, but you have to consider the ramifications of how hard it would be for the Devs to keep track of all this membership information over time.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I've been thinking about the cooldown and was wondering if it could be possible that when the token is used it does two additional things.
1. Generates a daily countdown warning for all SG members that the name will be changing in "x" days. 2. Send an email to everyone that was on the SG Roster 30 days before the token was activated letting them know what the new SG name is going to be and the character name and Global name of the person who used the token, then when the name change takes effect another email gets sent out announcing the name change and the Super Leaders character name and global name. That way everyone will know what's going on and in the event of asshattery booting everyone and then changing the name they will still be notified who is responsible. |
I think the system should be able to easily generate an automated email to all current members of a SG the moment the Super Leader activates a SG rename token. This email would have all that info you mentioned (character name, global name, time of SG rename and the old and new SG names) so that everyone knows exactly who's involved and what happened when.
But I'm not so sure you really need a "pre name-change" wait period involved with this. What would you really be able to do, as a non Super Leader, if you had to wait like a week or month -before- your SG's name was getting changed? No, basically when I talked about a month cooldown period this would be -after- a name change so that a particular SG's name can't be changed any more frequently than once a month regardless of who has the Super Leader rank. This would stop someone from switching the name every five minutes to exploit the system.
Again there's nothing that's going to stop a truly devoted person from doing bad things regardless if we have SG rename tokens or not. All the system should do is prevent people from being able to get away with it anonymously - your email idea would help with that. In addition to the month cooldown I would also make SG rename tokens be arbitrarily expensive - say like $20 worth. This would also reduce the chance that people would bother to use them for whimsically negative reasons.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
I'm not against adding reasonable safeguards to this, but you have to consider the ramifications of how hard it would be for the Devs to keep track of all this membership information over time.
I think the system should be able to easily generate an automated email to all current members of a SG the moment the Super Leader activates a SG rename token. This email would have all that info you mentioned (character name, global name, time of SG rename and the old and new SG names) so that everyone knows exactly who's involved and what happened when. But I'm not so sure you really need a "pre name-change" wait period involved with this. What would you really be able to do, as a non Super Leader, if you had to wait like a week or month -before- your SG's name was getting changed? No, basically when I talked about a month cooldown period this would be -after- a name change so that a particular SG's name can't be changed any more frequently than once a month regardless of who has the Super Leader rank. This would stop someone from switching the name every five minutes to exploit the system. Again there's nothing that's going to stop a truly devoted person from doing bad things regardless if we have SG rename tokens or not. All the system should do is prevent people from being able to get away with it anonymously - your email idea would help with that. In addition to the month cooldown I would also make SG rename tokens be arbitrarily expensive - say like $20 worth. This would also reduce the chance that people would bother to use them for whimsically negative reasons. |
The timer with countdown I suggested is intended to give SG members a heads up that a name change will be occurring. Players aren't always on at the same time so they could be in a situation where they don't know what's going on and suddenly find themselves in what appears to be a different SG. Also if shenanigans are intended it may help discourage all but the most determined asshattery.
Anyway if there are any flaws in the ideas feel free to tear them apart. That's why we're here.
For those of us who have inherited supergroups (and villaingroups, obviously), perhaps a Supergroup Name Change Token? Either we spend real money to get it or have to use x-number of paragon points, I don't really care how. I just want to be able to change the name of my supergroup.
Why?
Well, when you've been playing for several years and you're in an SG that was active at one point or another, but then way leads on to way and people leave, etc. Next thing you know, you log in and you've become the SG leader with people who haven't logged in for hundreds, if not thousands of days.
What's a lonely SG inheritor to do?
I started to just redesign the whole SG, since it's mostly just me that keeps it up and uses it. For example, my Valkyrie character has inherited an SG with a sizable amount of prestige, porters, salvage space, etc. But since it's just me, I've been redesigning it to make it more 'Nordic' and would like, therefore, to rename it to something more appropriate.
We already have Character Name Change tokens. Would a Supergroup Name Change Token be too much of a stretch?
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