Certainly viable if you want health and smashing/lethal defence - I can see it being the go-to solution for Willpower builds, for example.
For others, the 10% recharge is just too shiny a prize, and there are some high-end resistance builds that will want that rare six-slot shiny.
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Originally Posted by Ultimus
I also hate to suggest this but the Brute ATO set bonuses might need to be swapped in reverse order. Right now it gives: (this is with the catalyst)
2) 3% Health 3) 5% S/L 2.5% Melee 4) 4% DMG 5) 10% Recharge 6) 2.52% S/L Resistance What does this mean? In my opinion, you would see a better benefit slotting two powers with 3 catalyst Brute IO's for 6% health, 10% Smashing/Lethal Defense then doing the above. (These bonuses would work all the way exemplared down too) Thoughts on this? |
Unless this has recently changed, you cannot slot two half-sets of catalysed ATO's. You can slot 3 of the catalysed (purple strength) and three of the regular strength.
Honestly, I'm looking very hard at the split slotting for all three of the melee sets: I tend to be recharge insensitive and 7.5 percent S/L defense is REALLY NICE.
If the ATO specials remain as they are now, the Tanker special is VERY nice, the Brute special is potentially 'okay', and the Scrapper special is 'meh'. I personally am likely to go for splits on all of them, proccing the tankers and maybe brutes, and definitely not proccing the Scrappers. (I like mitigation.)
Now that said, a case may be made that single-setting the Scrappers would be better, as it averages out to roughly 9 percent global damage boost with the purple Scrapper set. Still pretty meh, but maybe enough to offset losing the extra 2.5 percent S/L defense.
For brutes, the difference depends strongly on where fury decay settles out to be. As I add up on my fingers and toes, it looks to me like brutes will be skyrocketing fury so fast the 'buildup' time approaches inconsequence, and the 'steady state' may be above 90 percent. If so, then the purple brute set with proc may come in at 25+ percent global damage boost, which is...not bad. Maybe not as cool as 2.5 percent S/L, but we'll see.
EDIT: Oh, wait, I see what you're getting at....
No, I still think it's better to go with half purple and half orange in a single power. This lowers your opportunity cost in lost slotting of other things, and let's you veer away from the Dual IO's to get more total bonus. The extra 2.5 percent S/L is nice, but I think you'd be paying too much for it.
Now, if there was another set that gave decent bonuses at three slots that could complement this..... But KC's/erads/obi's tend to be the sweetest spot defense-wise. Probably the best slotting would be halfsies in PBAOE's with erads in the other three slots.
Hmm. That could free up some KC's. Hmmm.
(Pulls out paper and pencil.) Grrrr......
Interestingly, three and three slotting gives you the same health bonus as two sets of four KCs as well as the same defense bonus as two sets of four KCs. In effect, it saves you two slots and gives you different enhancement values and the proc. Two free slots is nothing to sneeze at but it seems to me that the devs were pretty careful to not allow this strategy to be too dominating compared to slotting the set in its entirety. You can of course stack these bonuses with the KC bonuses as they do not have the same values and it is nice that they aren't restricted to melee powers.
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For Willpower, you might even be better off slotting 2 catalyzed Brute ATOs along with 4 Kinetic Combats in 3 different melee attacks. You'd end up with 9% heal bonus from the ATOs and another 4.5 from the KCs, plus a nice 11.25 S/L def.
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Thoughts on this?
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When will these be available?
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Yes you can slot two half sets for 10% total. As long as each enhancer is different you can split the set. It would be like slotting half of Hetacomb in KO BLow and the other 3 enhancers in Punch.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
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Unless this has recently changed, you cannot slot two half-sets of catalysed ATO's. You can slot 3 of the catalysed (purple strength) and three of the regular strength. Honestly, I'm looking very hard at the split slotting for all three of the melee sets: I tend to be recharge insensitive and 7.5 percent S/L defense is REALLY NICE. If the ATO specials remain as they are now, the Tanker special is VERY nice, the Brute special is potentially 'okay', and the Scrapper special is 'meh'. I personally am likely to go for splits on all of them, proccing the tankers and maybe brutes, and definitely not proccing the Scrappers. (I like mitigation.) Now that said, a case may be made that single-setting the Scrappers would be better, as it averages out to roughly 9 percent global damage boost with the purple Scrapper set. Still pretty meh, but maybe enough to offset losing the extra 2.5 percent S/L defense. For brutes, the difference depends strongly on where fury decay settles out to be. As I add up on my fingers and toes, it looks to me like brutes will be skyrocketing fury so fast the 'buildup' time approaches inconsequence, and the 'steady state' may be above 90 percent. If so, then the purple brute set with proc may come in at 25+ percent global damage boost, which is...not bad. Maybe not as cool as 2.5 percent S/L, but we'll see. EDIT: Oh, wait, I see what you're getting at.... No, I still think it's better to go with half purple and half orange in a single power. This lowers your opportunity cost in lost slotting of other things, and let's you veer away from the Dual IO's to get more total bonus. The extra 2.5 percent S/L is nice, but I think you'd be paying too much for it. Now, if there was another set that gave decent bonuses at three slots that could complement this..... But KC's/erads/obi's tend to be the sweetest spot defense-wise. Probably the best slotting would be halfsies in PBAOE's with erads in the other three slots. Hmm. That could free up some KC's. Hmmm. (Pulls out paper and pencil.) Grrrr...... |
I don't understand why you started a whole new thread on this.
Regardless, my comments from the other thread stand. And having been the person in that thread who first pointed out splitting 3/3 (though I was sticking with a single power so only using 3 catalysts for 7.5%), I still don't see it as game-breaking.
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I also hate to suggest this but the Brute ATO set bonuses might need to be swapped in reverse order. Right now it gives: (this is with the catalyst)
2) 3% Health
3) 5% S/L 2.5% Melee
4) 4% DMG
5) 10% Recharge
6) 2.52% S/L Resistance
What does this mean? In my opinion, you would see a better benefit slotting two powers with 3 catalyst Brute IO's for 6% health, 10% Smashing/Lethal Defense then doing the above. (These bonuses would work all the way exemplared down too)
Thoughts on this?