Challenge settings and iPowers

The TF challenge settings should have "no iPowers" as an option.

That option should be required for the old Mo badges. MoSTF and the like.

I'm undecided. Removing an iPower, particularly Alpha, can wreck a build.

But I don't do Masters Ofs anyways, so it doesnt really affect me either way.

Unslot abilities from iPowers. Run whatever TF you want (in Mo or vanilla mode). Problem solved.

Or in other words, it's WAI at the moment.

No Incarnate Powers option would be kinda cool. You can do it already by just unslotting, as mentioned, but sure, why not have the option. Could add new Ouro badges for it, too.

Putting an asterisk in the record books on all the Master Of badges obtained using incarnate powers, I'm less keen on.

I don't have any problem with having a new optional "no iPowers" setting for TF/SFs. But this idea that all the original Mo badges should have this requirement retroactively applied to any future attempts is unreasonable for several reasons.

First of all there has already been a period of over a year where people could have been earning any of the Mo badges with the aid of incarnate powers. The cat is essentially out of the bag on this one. Perhaps if a "no iPowers" option was introduced with Issue 19 and that requirement was applied to the old Mo badges from the very beginning this would make sense. To do it now would be basically pointless.

Also the idea that iPowers have made the Mo badges "cheaper" or less impressive is also a concept that has long set sail in this game in general. If necessary I could list literally dozens of badges which over time have become much easier to earn than they were at first. Because I earned virtually every badge I have the "hard" way (for instance I earned Empath back when you needed 1 billion HP for it and Leader back when you needed 2 billion INF for it) I can absolutely sympathize with the idea that it's annoying that many of my most impressive badges have been almost trivialized. Despite that there's really no way to whine or complain about it since many of the nerfings were arguably necessary for the good of the game. Case in point a billion HP Empath was an absolute joke and always was.

Basically the idea of "asterisking" old badges might seem appealing to some, but it's hardly practical or even possible at this point.

I see I may not have worded my suggestion correctly. I'm not asking to retro anyone who got an Mo badge with the use of iPowers. I just want it changed so you can't earn them in the future without them.

Just like when there was the exploit that the -1 difficulty created. They realized it took away the challenge and adjusted it, but didn't take any badges away.

I can see why you're saying what you're saying, and to an extent I agree with you--TF's are much easier with incarnate powers. However, incarnate powers do not by any means guarantee a master run success. I've been on plenty of STFs and such as of late where, despite having most of the team incarnated...stuff happens. Incarnate powers does not a good player/team make.

No to changing old Master badge requirements.

HOWEVER

They could unveil a whole new set of badges, call it "Incarnate of", where your Incarnate abilities are actually disabled, with all the rest of the Master requirements. (And obviously these versions of the TFs would require you to be no lower than level 50, and probably be VIP too.)

OR

Have an Incarnate-level difficulty option for these TFs, which doesn't disable your Incarnate powers but instead raises the difficulty of the enemies (+4, minimum), maybe even give a level shift to the final AV, again alongside the requirements of No Temps and No Deaths. ("Incarnate of X Task Force" would make a little more sense for this since you're actually be using your Incarnate powers.)