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Inv/SS tanker needs advice before buying IOs

Blue_Centurion

By Blue_Centurion,
Posted on: 2011-12-21 15:02 in Player Questions

 

Posted

First time that i have had a character get high enough to even look into buying IOs and I have a few questions.

First
If I am just a premium member do i need to have a permanent Invention license to slot IOs?

Secondly
I have a build going on a Inv/SS Tank and i want some advice. I haven't looked at any of the pricing on these so if there is a better choice I would love to hear it.

Thanks in advance.

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Aleron: Level 50 Technology Tanker
Primary Power Set: Invulnerability
Secondary Power Set: Super Strength
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Temp Invulnerability -- GA-ResDam(A), GA-Res/Rech/End(3), GA-End/Res(5), GA-3defTpProc(11), GA-RechEnd(21), GA-RechRes(40)
Level 1: Jab -- KntkC'bat-Knock%(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(11), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(43), KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(43)
Level 2: Resist Physical Damage -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(3), S'fstPrt-ResKB(43)
Level 4: Haymaker -- P'ngS'Fest-Acc/Dmg(A), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/EndRdx(5), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/Rchg(17), P'ngS'Fest-Stun%(31)
Level 6: Resist Elements -- ImpArm-ResPsi(A), ImpArm-ResDam(7), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(7)
Level 8: Unyielding -- Aegis-Psi/Status(A), Aegis-ResDam(9), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(9), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(34), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 10: Super Speed -- Winter-ResSlow(A), Winter-RunSpd/Jump/Fly/Rng(37)
Level 12: Resist Energies -- ImpSkn-Status(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(13), ImpArm-ResPsi(13), ImpArm-ResDam(15)
Level 14: Boxing -- Mako-Dam%(A)
Level 16: Punch -- T'Death-Dam%(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(17), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(25)
Level 18: Tough -- ImpArm-ResDam(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(19), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(34)
Level 20: Knockout Blow -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(23), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(25), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(45)
Level 22: Invincibility -- LkGmblr-Def(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(23)
Level 24: Weave -- GftotA-Def(A), GftotA-Def/EndRdx(33), GftotA-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(34), GftotA-Run+(39)
Level 26: Dull Pain -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal/Rchg(27), Numna-Heal(36), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(48), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 28: Rage -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(29), RechRdx-I(29), RechRdx-I(31)
Level 30: Tough Hide -- GftotA-Def(A), GftotA-Def/EndRdx(31), GftotA-Run+(46), GftotA-Def/Rchg(46)
Level 32: Combat Jumping -- SW-ResDam/Re TP(A), SW-Def(33), SW-Def/EndRdx(37), SW-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 35: Hurl -- Range(A), Range(36), Dmg(37)
Level 38: Foot Stomp -- Erad-%Dam(A), Erad-Dmg(39), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39)
Level 41: Taunt -- Zinger-Dam%(A), Zinger-Taunt(42), Zinger-Taunt/Rng(42), Zinger-Taunt/Rchg(42)
Level 44: Focused Accuracy -- EndRdx(A), EndRdx(45), EndRdx-I(45)
Level 47: Physical Perfection -- Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(A), Efficacy-EndMod(48), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(50)
Level 49: Laser Beam Eyes -- LdyGrey-%Dam(A), LdyGrey-DefDeb(50), LdyGrey-DefDeb/EndRdx(50)
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Level 2: Swift -- Run(A)
Level 2: Health -- Heal(A), Heal(21)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(19), EndMod-I(33)
Level 1: Brawl -- Dmg(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Sprint -- Run(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run

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To your first question you can purchase a 30-day license for IOs to slot them. When your license runs out your slotted IOs will 'grey out' and give you no bonuses or enhancement efficiency. They are *not* deleted when the license expires.

However- if you try to respec while you have no invention license active then you will not be able to reslot any of those IOs and you will lose all but however many you can stick in your enhancement tray(s).

 

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Remember that you have a 2nd build. You can build that one with SOs and then you can switch to it when IOs do grey out and you don't have time/money to buy the Invention Licence.

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Pricing is everything. I have a SS/Invul (Brute) with a lot of shineys thrown on him. I could probably have gotten 95% of that performance for half th cash, 90% of it for a quarter, and 75% performance for 10% of the cash.

 

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Quote:
Originally Posted by StarGeek View Post
Remember that you have a 2nd build. You can build that one with SOs and then you can switch to it when IOs do grey out and you don't have time/money to buy the Invention Licence.
Oh, very good that will work for me.

 

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion View Post
Pricing is everything. I have a SS/Invul (Brute) with a lot of shineys thrown on him. I could probably have gotten 95% of that performance for half th cash, 90% of it for a quarter, and 75% performance for 10% of the cash.
Speaking of pricing the OP may not be aware of the extreme cost of the build they first posted. Also, even though that build would cost way over 4 billion inf (that Gladiator's Armor 3% def IO will be the better part of 3 billion all by itself) it's really not going to be very effective. The power order really needs some work and the slotting needs to be reworked.

Kal, I'd advise you to check out both of my guides in my signature for some suggestions on powers and slotting. My basic soft cap build is a tiny fraction of the cost of the one you're contemplating and gives you a "shopping list" of the IO's you'll want. In a nutshell you'll want Reactive Armor in your armors, Smashing Haymaker in your single target attacks and Mocking Beratement in Taunt. That should get you close to the soft cap for S/L damage. E/N defense is going to be a bit tougher to get since /SS only has one AOE to slot Eradication. You can slot a full set of Thunderstrike into an APP attack for more E/N defense.

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Temp Invuln: No need for a 6-slot PVP set there. Billions for no appreciable gain. Sure the 3% def Unique is nice but...

Jab: Underslotted for Acc and Damage. EndRed and Rech could use some beefing. Recommend Mako Quad or Triple.

Res Phys Dmg: You have no need for a -KB Proc. None. Nada. Zip. Zero. Zilch. One-less-than-uno. Pretty much ANYTHING that can overcome the KB resistance you get later on won't even blink at another 4 points.

Haymaker: Same problems as Jab.

Res Elements: Taken way too early.

Unyielding: WAYYYYYYYYYYYY overslotted.

Superspeed: Meh. If it's for concept, I guess. You'll get more mileage out of Super Jump though. And you won't need to do more than put the Slow Resist in there.

Res Energies: Taken too early. No need for the Status Resistance IO. Again, anything that's going to overcome your power-inherent status resists is just going to giggle run right over the top of this. See Tough for my critique of Impervium Armor.

Boxing: Just hide it.

Punch: Uhm. WHY? There's NO need for this attack. ESPECIALLY this poorly slotted.

Tough: If you build right you don't need the additional Psi defense. You can't "plug the psi hole". And you don't encounter enough of it to be worrisome. Moreover, with your defenses done right, Ranged and AoE overlap this already!

KO Blow: Well slotted but there are better options.

Invincibility: Underslotted

Weave: You're wasting too much slotting worrying about End Redux in toggles. And you're wasting slots on +RUN SPEED?!?!?!?!?!

Dull Pain: Overslotted. And you DO NOT want the Numina Unique in a toggle. You want it in HEALTH where it belongs.

Rage: Overslotted. 3x Rech. Any more is wasted. And technically, most of the 3rd Rech is wasted.
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Tough Hide: Same as Weave.

Combat Jumping: Expensive PVP IOs. Aren't really adding much. Honestly, 2x common defense can call it done.

Hurl: Hideously underslotted.

Foot Stomp: HIDEOUSLY UNDERSLOTTED. This power is your BREAD AND BUTTER! And you've given it 3 slots! One of which is only a "Chance to do damage"! Weekly Task Force man? Weekly Task Force?

Taunt: If going with Zingers, go 5 slots for the recharge bonus. But you see better returns off a 6-slotted Mocking Beratement.

Focused Accuracy: Uhm. WHAT? You have Rage? Hell, for a good chunk of time you have DOUBLE STACKED RAGE! You have precisely ZERO need for this power.

Physical Perfection: You're better off, if you're looking for best fit going Common EndMod, PerfShifter: EndMod, PerfShifter: Chance for +End. Do the same thing in Stamina and pretty much kiss recovery woes byebye.

Laser Beam Eyes: To hell with the defense debuff. With Rage and decent Accuracy slotting, you'll be hitting everyone all the time anyhow. Also, Hurl or LBE. Both is overkill.

Health: Suggested slotting for Health: Common Heal, Numina: Heal, Numina: Unique.


Optimal slotting for Toggle Resists (Temp Invuln, Unyielding, Tough): Reactive Armor: Res, Res/End, Res/Rech, Res/End/Rech

Optimal slotting for passive resists (Res Phys Dmg, Energies, Elements): Aegis: Res, Res/End, Res/Rech.

Okay, here's a modification of your build with some slightly different choices made.

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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Invulnerability
Secondary Power Set: Super Strength
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Temp Invulnerability -- RctvArm-ResDam:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(3), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(3), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(5)
Level 1: Jab -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg:35(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx:35(5), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg:35(7), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:35(7), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(9)
Level 2: Dull Pain -- Dct'dW-Heal:50(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg:50(9), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg:50(11), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg:50(19), Dct'dW-Rchg:50(34)
Level 4: Haymaker -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg:35(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx:35(11), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg:35(13), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:35(13), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(15)
Level 6: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 8: Unyielding -- RctvArm-ResDam:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(15), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(17), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(17)
Level 10: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Def:50(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(50)
Level 12: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt:50(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg:50(19), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng:50(21), Mocking-Acc/Rchg:50(21), Mocking-Taunt/Rng:50(23), Mocking-Rchg:50(23)
Level 14: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(25), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(25), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:30(27)
Level 16: Resist Physical Damage -- Aegis-ResDam:50(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(27), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:50(29), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(29)
Level 18: Weave -- DefBuff-I:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(31), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(31)
Level 20: Knockout Blow -- KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:35(A), KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg:35(31), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx:35(33), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg:35(33), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(33)
Level 22: Invincibility -- LkGmblr-Def:50(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(34)
Level 24: Super Jump -- Winter-ResSlow:50(A)
Level 26: Tough Hide -- DefBuff-I:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(34), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(36)
Level 28: Rage -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(36), RechRdx-I:50(36)
Level 30: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(37)
Level 32: Resist Energies -- Aegis-ResDam:50(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(37), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:50(37)
Level 35: Hurl -- Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(A), Thundr-Acc/Dmg:50(39), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx:50(39), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg:50(40), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(40), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(46)
Level 38: Foot Stomp -- Erad-%Dam:30(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:30(39), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(40), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(42), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(42), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(42)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I:50(A)
Level 44: Laser Beam Eyes -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx:50(45), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg:50(45), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(45), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(46), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(48)
Level 47: Physical Perfection -- EndMod-I:50(A), P'Shift-EndMod:50(48), P'Shift-End%:50(48)
Level 49: Resist Elements -- Aegis-ResDam:50(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(50), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:50(50)
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Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Heal-I:50(A), Numna-Heal:50(43), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(43)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I:50(A), P'Shift-EndMod:50(43), P'Shift-End%:50(46)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run



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Note: If you already have the Gladiator's Armor Unique (TP Resist/3% Defense), strip the common defense IO off Tough Hide and use the third slot to put another slot on Temp Invuln and place it there.


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