What is the Echo of Galaxy City?


Aneko

 

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Redacted the post anyway since... well... it violated the ToS in some manner, I think, lol


 

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I don't know who you're trying to insult (or why), but I'm pretty sure Voodoo Girl and I were both in that Beta. Better luck next time.
Anne Coulter, of course.

And if you were in beta, you should remember that the Echo was indeed there.

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So according to your "research", they had to set up the Echo because a badge or plaque could never be moved, right? Right?
But can a map badge also be moved? Furthermore, a lot of the plaques were tied to events occuring at where they were located, so the rationale still doesn't work.


 

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Aw, I like this bio. It made me sad.

Also, I'm gonna make your explanation my head canon until/if they ever explain it.
Thanks MisterMagpie, I really appreciate that.

As for the discussion of why the devs created the Echo of Galaxy City: all well and good, but I don't really care why. I was just curious about the in-game explanation, the lore of it.

It'll be interesting to see what the devs do with Dark Astoria. If the zone is destroyed the way Galaxy City is, then Dark Astoria having an echo would be consistent with Galaxy's, even if the reason that the Menders made them available/created them remains a mystery. If Dark Astoria isn't really "destroyed" in the same way, then the explanation for these two echoes has to be more complicated, I think.

I wonder if the Menders might make emotionally important places/times available in order to "ground" those who travel time. And only places that resonate with a particular individual are accessible to that individual. That's an explanation that might make sense, even if it requires some handwaving to avoid questions about the lack of Overbrook (Faultline) or White Plains (Rikti War Zone).


 

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And if you were in beta, you should remember that the Echo was indeed there.
Who said it wasn't?

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Furthermore, a lot of the plaques were tied to events occuring at where they were located, so the rationale still doesn't work.
Why not? If the historic location no longer exists but you still want people to remember it, build a memorial somewhere else.


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'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
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Who said it wasn't?
It was implied that it was thrown in at the last moment. It evidently wasn't.

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Why not? If the historic location no longer exists but you still want people to remember it, build a memorial somewhere else.
I like how you ignored the badges for exploring a second time.


 

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It was implied that it was thrown in at the last moment. It evidently wasn't.
Not by me.

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I like how you ignored the badges for exploring a second time.
You asked if they could be moved. I didn't answer because I don't know for certain, but I expect there would be a way around it if not.

I don't know what you mean about a second time, though.


'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.

 

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By the way, where did all those hoverboards come from?
Blackwell makes 'em.


 

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But can a map badge also be moved? Furthermore, a lot of the plaques were tied to events occuring at where they were located, so the rationale still doesn't work.
Try getting atlas tour guide nowadays with a PRE-I21 Map pack - The Number 2 Badge was moved a SIGNIFICANT distance - so far I needed to open up the website to find it.


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Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.

 

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Try getting atlas tour guide nowadays with a PRE-I21 Map pack - The Number 2 Badge was moved a SIGNIFICANT distance - so far I needed to open up the website to find it.
Which number 2? The plaque or exploration point? And would it even make sense to place a Galaxy City explorer badge in another section of the city if we assumed that they could be moved? Would these badges make sense if they appeared in Atlas Park, Steel Canyon, or King's Row?



Tank

M1, a hero from World War II, is honored today with a statue in Galaxy City.


Land Locked

This lock holds back the waters of Eastgate Bay, and has been the target of many super criminals bent on flooding Galaxy City.


Galactic Fan

Galaxy Girl's sacrifice to save the people of Paragon City has not gone unnoticed, prompting this tremendous statue to be built in honor of her. Galaxy Girl's father visited the statue every day until he passed away at the age of 91.


Eye of the Gemini

Gemini Park was once a popular gathering spot for people in the city, until the Hellions and Vahzilok took over. On some occasions many heroes could be seen relaxing in the area, daring the local gangs to try something. The people of Paragon would hold events on these days, happy to have their park wrested away from the hands of criminals.

Orion's Belt

This statue commemorates the hero Orion, whom Orion Beltway was renamed after. During the first Rikti War, Orion fought valiantly against the Rikti, saving the people of this small district. He was remembered, in particular, as the hero with no real powers beyond his knowledge of martial arts.


 

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Which number 2? The plaque or exploration point? And would it even make sense to place a Galaxy City explorer badge in another section of the city if we assumed that they could be moved? Would these badges make sense if they appeared in Atlas Park, Steel Canyon, or King's Row?
The explore - my point was that the devs have the ability to relocate badges - not whether it would be appropriate.


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Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.

 

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And would it even make sense to place a Galaxy City explorer badge in another section of the city if we assumed that they could be moved?
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M1, a hero from World War II, is honored today with a statue in Galaxy City.
Move or replace the statue. No problem.

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Galaxy Girl's sacrifice to save the people of Paragon City has not gone unnoticed, prompting this tremendous statue to be built in honor of her.
Move or replace the statue. No problem.

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This statue commemorates the hero Orion, whom Orion Beltway was renamed after.
Move or replace the statue. No problem.

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This lock holds back the waters of Eastgate Bay, and has been the target of many super criminals bent on flooding Galaxy City.
Move the badge to the Perez side of the lock. No problem.

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Gemini Park was once a popular gathering spot for people in the city, until the Hellions and Vahzilok took over.
Only this one would be problematic. Four out of five isn't bad.


'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.

 

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not whether it would be appropriate.
Some people would seem to think it would. Fortunately we'll never have to deal with "Orion Beltway? But I'm in Argosy Industrial Park."


 

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The complaints were not about the badges, because the echo was very clearly already in place. The complaints were about the alternate starting area being removed and thus leaving us only with Atlas Park to start in.
Who said the complaints were about the badges?


'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.

 

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Who said the complaints were about the badges?
You implied it.


 

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Fortunately we'll never have to deal with "Orion Beltway? But I'm in Argosy Industrial Park."
So you don't think they could change the badge text, either?


'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.

 

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You implied it.
Nonsense. I specifically mentioned complaints about losing a popular roleplaying location.


'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.

 

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So you don't think they could change the badge text, either?
Then you'd have to change Orion's name, since that was what the damn area was named after.

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Nonsense. I specifically mentioned complaints about losing a popular roleplaying location.
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Or it could be for the reason we mentioned. People definitely had fits about their beloved landmarks (the statue of Galaxy Girl in particular, as I recall).
A badge point is a landmark.


 

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Then you'd have to change Orion's name, since that was what the damn area was named after.
So I can't build a statue to a hero from Paris anywhere but in Paris? Please.

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A badge point is a landmark.
Logic 101: if all badges are landmarks, are all landmarks necessarily badges?

This is getting ridiculous. There is apparently some fundamental problem that prevents you from understanding what I know to be reasonably standard English when I use it.


'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.

 

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So I can't build a statue to a hero from Paris anywhere but in Paris? Please.
You were the one who said "change the text." Orion's Beltway was named after him, and the badge name, "Orion's Belt" makes reference to the neighborhood name. You'd have to change it all.

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Logic 101: if all badges are landmarks, are all landmarks necessarily badges?

This is getting ridiculous. There is apparently some fundamental problem that prevents you from understanding what I know to be reasonably standard English when I use it.
The only problem is your thinking that you can just port things around anywhere with complete disregard for the lore it contains.


 

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You were the one who said "change the text." Orion's Beltway was named after him, and the badge name, "Orion's Belt" makes reference to the neighborhood name. You'd have to change it all.
Or you could just add a reference to where Orion Beltway used to be.

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The only problem is your thinking that you can just port things around anywhere with complete disregard for the lore it contains.
Please quote me saying that. If you can't, stop telling me what I think.


'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.

 

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Aneko and Scythus: Threadjack much? Yeesh.

Again, regardless of why the echo was created by the devs (i.e.: the decision about which of you to upset most, apparently, or perhaps it's the reason behind the decision that gets your blood boiling?), we're left with the fact that it is here. Decision made, action done.

Now that it's here, what is it?


 

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Now that it's here, what is it?
That was answered in the first reply. It's nothing. It exists outside of lore, like vanity items.


'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.

 

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I am not aware of a provided lore explanation of the Echo. (It does appear to be just a way to cheaply provide access to the previous badges.)

However, maybe it is the Menders' way of trying to hold onto a reminder of how things were before the Coming Storm came, a way to prove to heroes why the Menders' fight is important. Or, perhaps it is a reminder to themselves that, so far, they have failed.

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Scarred by losing his family and friends, Galaxy Kid has avoided the authorities in Paragon City, and now fights against those who prey on the refugees of Galaxy City. He returns each night to the echo of his family's home, and tells his now-timeless parents and sister that school was fine.
This is poignant, and powerful. And a nice twist on using the presence of the Echo.

Nice bio.


Mender Raphael stood quietly, looking out at the vista surrounding Ouroboros. To his left, the portal to the Echo of Galaxy City sat, faint and subtle vibrations of power rippling away from it and tingling past his senses. It flared quickly, and he sighed. The young hero, Galaxy Kid, had activated it yet again.

There was strength born of the Fall of Galaxy City. Galaxy Kid and others had taken up the cause, perhaps more motivated than those that had come before. The Menders could use that.

But suffering and pain came with that new strength, as well. The Menders had to do better. Some questioned why they had created the Echo. Not Raphael. For each who said the Echo was "wallowing in failure" he knew that were those that it helped - to ease the pain of loss or as a rallying cry to strive harder. It was necessary, however painful its lessons.

But for Raphael, it inspired fear - fear that there would be many more echoes before the Storm had passed...


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Or you could just add a reference to where Orion Beltway used to be.

Please quote me saying that. If you can't, stop telling me what I think.
Well from what I've seen, you're essentially arguing that the echo shouldn't even exist and that Galaxy should just be retconned from existence and the badges moved elsewhere to become odd non sequiturs.


 

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Well from what I've seen, you're essentially arguing that the echo shouldn't even exist
I suggest that it's not needed.

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and that Galaxy should just be retconned from existence and the badges moved elsewhere to become odd non sequiturs.
Seriously? I've neither said nor implied anything of the kind. Far from it.

I have nothing more to say to you. Feel free to misinterpret that, too.


'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.