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Kin/Fire- Is it as good as it seems

DreadShinobi

By DreadShinobi,
Posted on: 2011-12-02 23:08 in Defenders

 

Posted

These stats I came up with in Mids seem ridiculiously good for defense, endurance recovery through transference, and of course damage.

Isi t really possible to get S/L/E defense above 75% and most others about 50% when the cap is only 45%?

I know this build may be overkill but couldn't I fight stuff way above my level with this build?

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Firecloud: Level 50 Technology Defender
Primary Power Set: Kinetics
Secondary Power Set: Fire Blast
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Siphon Power

  • (A) Accuracy IO: Level 50
  • (3) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
  • (3) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 1: Flares
  • (A) Devastation - Accuracy/Damage: Level 50
  • (31) Devastation - Damage/Endurance: Level 50
  • (34) Devastation - Chance of Hold: Level 50
Level 2: Transfusion
  • (A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance: Level 50
  • (5) Numina's Convalescence - Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
  • (5) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge: Level 50
  • (7) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
  • (7) Numina's Convalescence - Heal: Level 50
  • (15) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery: Level 50
Level 4: Fire Blast
  • (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage: Level 50
  • (31) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 50
  • (31) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 50
  • (48) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance: Level 50
  • (50) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge: Level 50
  • (50) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
Level 6: Siphon Speed
  • (A) Accuracy IO: Level 30
  • (15) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 30
  • (17) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 30
  • (19) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 30
  • (21) Impeded Swiftness - Endurance/Recharge/Slow: Level 30
  • (21) Impeded Swiftness - Chance of Damage(Smashing): Level 30
Level 8: Fire Ball
  • (A) Detonation - Accuracy/Damage: Level 50
  • (9) Detonation - Damage/Endurance: Level 50
  • (9) Detonation - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 50
  • (11) Detonation - Damage/Endurance/Range: Level 50
  • (11) Detonation - Damage/Recharge: Level 50
  • (13) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 10: Increase Density
  • (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%: Level 30
  • (34) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection: Level 30
Level 12: Speed Boost
  • (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points): Level 50
  • (13) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range: Level 50
  • (34) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance: Level 50
Level 14: Rain of Fire
  • (A) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge: Level 50
  • (36) Positron's Blast - Damage/Endurance: Level 50
  • (37) Positron's Blast - Damage/Range: Level 50
  • (37) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy): Level 50
  • (37) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 50
Level 16: Maneuvers
  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50
  • (17) Karma - Knockback Protection: Level 30
  • (39) Luck of the Gambler - Defense: Level 50
  • (40) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance: Level 50
  • (40) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
Level 18: Inertial Reduction
  • (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points): Level 50
  • (19) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance: Level 50
Level 20: Tactics
  • (A) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff: Level 20
  • (23) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff/Recharge: Level 20
Level 22: Vengeance
  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50
Level 24: Aim
  • (A) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff: Level 20
  • (25) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff/Recharge: Level 20
Level 26: Transference
  • (A) Performance Shifter - EndMod: Level 50
  • (27) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy: Level 50
  • (27) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End: Level 50
  • (43) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge: Level 50
  • (46) Performance Shifter - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
  • (46) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
Level 28: Blaze
  • (A) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance: Level 50
  • (29) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge: Level 50
  • (29) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 50
Level 30: Boxing
  • (A) Empty
Level 32: Fulcrum Shift
  • (A) Accuracy IO: Level 50
  • (33) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
  • (33) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
  • (33) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 35: Blazing Bolt
  • (A) Sting of the Manticore - Damage/Endurance: Level 50
  • (36) Sting of the Manticore - Accuracy/Damage: Level 50
  • (36) Sting of the Manticore - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
  • (46) Sting of the Manticore - Chance of Damage(Toxic): Level 50
  • (48) Sting of the Manticore - Damage/Interrupt/Recharge: Level 50
Level 38: Inferno
  • (A) Eradication - Damage: Level 30
  • (39) Eradication - Damage/Recharge: Level 30
  • (39) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 30
  • (40) Eradication - Chance for Energy Damage: Level 30
  • (43) Eradication - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 30
  • (43) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 30
Level 41: Scorpion Shield
  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50
  • (42) Luck of the Gambler - Defense: Level 50
  • (42) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance: Level 50
  • (42) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
Level 44: Tough
  • (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance: Level 40
  • (45) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance: Level 40
  • (45) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge: Level 40
  • (45) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Recharge: Level 40
Level 47: Weave
  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50
  • (48) Luck of the Gambler - Defense: Level 50
Level 49: Combat Jumping
  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50
  • (50) Luck of the Gambler - Defense: Level 50
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Level 2: Swift
  • (A) Empty
Level 2: Health
  • (A) Empty
Level 2: Hurdle
  • (A) Empty
Level 2: Stamina
  • (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End: Level 50
  • (23) Performance Shifter - EndMod: Level 50
  • (25) Endurance Modification IO: Level 50
Level 1: Brawl
  • (A) Empty
Level 1: Sprint
  • (A) Empty
Level 1: Vigilance
Level 2: Rest
  • (A) Empty
Level 4: Ninja Run
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Set Bonus Totals:
  • 5.5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
  • 5.5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
  • 5.5% DamageBuff(Fire)
  • 5.5% DamageBuff(Cold)
  • 5.5% DamageBuff(Energy)
  • 5.5% DamageBuff(Negative)
  • 5.5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
  • 5.5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
  • 5.5% Defense(Melee)
  • 8% Defense(Smashing)
  • 8% Defense(Lethal)
  • 8% Defense(Fire)
  • 8% Defense(Cold)
  • 17.69% Defense(Energy)
  • 17.69% Defense(Negative)
  • 3% Defense(Psionic)
  • 18.31% Defense(Ranged)
  • 13% Defense(AoE)
  • 1.8% Max End
  • 51.25% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
  • 6% Enhancement(Heal)
  • 34% Enhancement(Accuracy)
  • 14% FlySpeed
  • 106.8 HP (10.5%) HitPoints
  • 14% JumpHeight
  • 14% JumpSpeed
  • Knockback (Mag -16)
  • Knockup (Mag -16)
  • MezResist(Held) 3.3%
  • MezResist(Immobilize) 3.3%
  • MezResist(Sleep) 1.65%
  • 10.5% (0.18 End/sec) Recovery
  • 76% (3.22 HP/sec) Regeneration
  • 1.58% Resistance(Fire)
  • 1.58% Resistance(Cold)
  • 1.88% Resistance(Energy)
  • 14% RunSpeed
  • 3% XPDebtProtection
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Set Bonuses:
Devastation
(Flares)
  • 12% (0.51 HP/sec) Regeneration
  • 22.89 HP (2.25%) HitPoints
Numina's Convalescence
(Transfusion)
  • 12% (0.51 HP/sec) Regeneration
  • 19.08 HP (1.88%) HitPoints
  • 6% Enhancement(Heal)
  • MezResist(Held) 3.3%
  • 3.75% Defense(Ranged), 1.88% Defense(Energy), 1.88% Defense(Negative)
Thunderstrike
(Fire Blast)
  • 2% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery
  • 2.5% Defense(Energy,Negative), 1.25% Defense(Ranged)
  • 7% Enhancement(Accuracy)
  • 4% RunSpeed, 4% FlySpeed, 4% JumpSpeed, 4% JumpHeight
  • 2.5% Defense(Ranged), 1.25% Defense(Energy), 1.25% Defense(Negative)
Impeded Swiftness
(Siphon Speed)
  • MezResist(Immobilize) 2.2%
Detonation
(Fire Ball)
  • MezResist(Sleep) 1.65%
  • 1.88% Resistance(Energy)
  • 1% XPDebtProtection
  • 1.88% Defense(AoE), 0.94% Defense(Fire), 0.94% Defense(Cold)
Steadfast Protection
(Increase Density)
  • 1.5% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery
  • 3% Defense(Melee), 3% Defense(AoE), 3% Defense(Ranged), 3% Defense(Smashing), 3% Defense(Lethal), 3% Defense(Fire), 3% Defense(Cold), 3% Defense(Energy), 3% Defense(Negative), 3% Defense(Psionic)
  • Knockback (Mag -4), Knockup (Mag -4)
Blessing of the Zephyr
(Speed Boost)
  • 1.25% Defense(Ranged), 0.63% Defense(Energy), 0.63% Defense(Negative)
  • 1.88% Defense(AoE), 0.94% Defense(Fire), 0.94% Defense(Cold)
  • Knockback (Mag -4), Knockup (Mag -4)
Positron's Blast
(Rain of Fire)
  • 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
  • 1.58% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
  • 9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
  • 6.25% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Luck of the Gambler
(Maneuvers)
  • 10% (0.42 HP/sec) Regeneration
  • 11.45 HP (1.13%) HitPoints
  • 9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
  • 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Karma
(Maneuvers)
  • Knockback (Mag -4), Knockup (Mag -4)
Blessing of the Zephyr
(Inertial Reduction)
  • 1.25% Defense(Ranged), 0.63% Defense(Energy), 0.63% Defense(Negative)
  • Knockback (Mag -4), Knockup (Mag -4)
Rectified Reticle
(Tactics)
  • 1.88% Defense(Smashing,Lethal), 0.94% Defense(Melee)
Luck of the Gambler
(Vengeance)
  • 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Rectified Reticle
(Aim)
  • 1.88% Defense(Smashing,Lethal), 0.94% Defense(Melee)
Performance Shifter
(Transference)
  • 5% JumpSpeed, 5% JumpHeight, 5% FlySpeed, 5% RunSpeed
  • 19.08 HP (1.88%) HitPoints
  • 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
  • 2.5% DamageBuff(All)
  • 3.13% Defense(AoE), 1.56% Defense(Fire), 1.56% Defense(Cold)
Thunderstrike
(Blaze)
  • 2% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery
  • 2.5% Defense(Energy,Negative), 1.25% Defense(Ranged)
Sting of the Manticore
(Blazing Bolt)
  • 12% (0.51 HP/sec) Regeneration
  • 1.88% Defense(Ranged), 0.94% Defense(Energy), 0.94% Defense(Negative)
  • 3% DamageBuff(All)
  • 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Eradication
(Inferno)
  • 1.8% Max End
  • 3.13% Defense(Energy,Negative), 1.56% Defense(Ranged)
  • 22.89 HP (2.25%) HitPoints
  • 2% XPDebtProtection
  • 3.13% Defense(AoE), 1.56% Defense(Fire), 1.56% Defense(Cold)
Luck of the Gambler
(Scorpion Shield)
  • 10% (0.42 HP/sec) Regeneration
  • 11.45 HP (1.13%) HitPoints
  • 9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
  • 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Reactive Armor
(Tough)
  • MezResist(Immobilize) 1.1%
  • 1.25% Defense(Energy,Negative), 0.63% Defense(Ranged)
  • 1.25% Defense(Smashing,Lethal), 0.63% Defense(Melee)
Luck of the Gambler
(Weave)
  • 10% (0.42 HP/sec) Regeneration
  • 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Luck of the Gambler
(Combat Jumping)
  • 10% (0.42 HP/sec) Regeneration
  • 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Performance Shifter
(Stamina)
  • 5% JumpSpeed, 5% JumpHeight, 5% FlySpeed, 5% RunSpeed



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Posted

Without looking at your actual build and slotting choices, Kin/Fire will be good, but will be strictly worse than a Fire/Kin Corruptor due to lower base damage, a lower damage cap, and no scourging rain of fire. There really isn't any competition, this particular combination just performs so much better on corruptors.

Also the defense softcap is 45% (59% on incarnate trials), and you're not going to be really fighting anything above +4 due to the purple patch. I would aim for 45% S/L defense (energy if you want to) then put everything else into recharge and a bit of +hp.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattmba2173 View Post
Isi t really possible to get S/L/E defense above 75% and most others about 50% when the cap is only 45%?
If you count Vengeance, sure. It's not realistic to assume you'll have Vengeance up all the time, though.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hopeling View Post
If you count Vengeance, sure. It's not realistic to assume you'll have Vengeance up all the time, though.
And the OP is talking about the "soft cap" as though it were a "hard cap" which it isn't. Each AT actualy has it's own defense hard cap and they are all over 150% I believe, and I think the highest is something around 280%. "Soft cap" defense, however, is the amount of defense at which any more is useless. Because of how defense works, having 100% defense won't do you any better than having 45% defense, unless you get debuffed.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadShinobi View Post
There really isn't any competition, this particular combination just performs so much better on corruptors.
Pretty much this. It's not like you're gimped if you choose defender (far from it), but the only big reason to choose a defender over a corruptor for this combination is getting fulcrum shift earlier.