Buffing Forms (Brainstorm)


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Just checked his PB's build and he has taunt one slotted with the psi damage proc. Still though, even with our slotting taken into account his taunt has a 35s duration vs. 27.65s from my 6 slotted provoke. His taunt is also autohit whereas provoke is not.
Yeah then look at his recharge. You are able to spam more times to have more of an effort on taunt duration remaining wins.


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Yeah then look at his recharge. You are able to spam more times to have more of an effort on taunt duration remaining wins.

Wrong again. His is recharging about a second faster than mine.


 

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Wrong again. His is recharging about a second faster than mine.
Put both of the builds up for me and I will look at whats going on. I do know that recharge times need to be added to the cast times to get frequency rates.

Do it in a PM if needed as ya know no matter what I won't post either.


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Put both of the builds up for me and I will look at whats going on. I do know that recharge times need to be added to the cast times to get frequency rates.

Do it in a PM if needed as ya know no matter what I won't post either.

The builds are both posted in other threads. The one I was running is in the thread I just posted, his Peacebringer's build thread was just updated (Serene Servant's build.) I don't have mids up right now but I'm 90% sure Provoke has a longer cast.


 

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The builds are both posted in other threads. The one I was running is in the thread I just posted, his Peacebringer's build thread was just updated (Serene Servant's build.) I don't have mids up right now but I'm 90% sure Provoke has a longer cast.
If AIB put down a datachunk I can measure things better, atm I upload his build and its bugged. If he does that I will put some maths down.


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If AIB put down a datachunk I can measure things better, atm I upload his build and its bugged. If he does that I will put some maths down.

The first build posted in that thread is old, that's why the link isn't working. Check the last one posted.


 

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What if they made a subset AT that specialized in just one form and added different powers. Basically the concept would be the Kheldian and the host decided to forgo other forms to obtain higher awareness in this single form.

So you could go standard Kheldain or decide to specialize at level 24 like the SOA and Just be Nova, Dwarf or human and obtain other unique powers as you level up so you stand out from the Tri form kheld.

Costume wise it might be a bit difficult for Nova and Dwarf, so I would guess that maybe adding in unique looks and auras for them to work with. Maybe make the Dwarf more solid looking, allow the option to change skin color.

This would allow more players the chance to play Kheldians with a bit less confusion as even for experienced players they can be confusing. It certainly is NOT an AT that you can have sitting at level 40 ( like myself ) and then wonder how to use them or what even your intent was in the first place with the build when you decide to log back in on the toon 3 or 4 months later.


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The first build posted in that thread is old, that's why the link isn't working. Check the last one posted.
THB Provoke = Frequency 4.678 Taunt duration remaining 27650
AIB Antagonize (Dwarf Hastened?) = Frequency 5.438 tdr 35000
Frequency is cast time + rechg time.

I am not seeing where AIBs is a second faster even with Incarnate on or Haste on. I realize AIB has more haste as it says so in Advanced Totals but Antagonize isn't slotted at all for recharge unlike yours THB so there will be some making up with the lack of rechg bonusing by way of rechg with your power itself.

First taunt with whats given AIB wins, but the moment you taunt again before AIB you win, being out of sync on taunt duration remaining alone you will play tennis, although you might not see that because the AV is caught up in a cast time.

Threat = Damage * Debuff Mod * AT Mod * AI Mod * Range Mod * (TauntDurationRemaining * 1,000)

Looking at your builds without being too precise as one wasn't there. I'll speculate a likelihood.

Threat = THB wins on damage done * ? * AIB wins on AT mod * ? * DRAW ON RANGE * YOU ALTERNATE

The more toggles you run, the more you represent yourself. In a test with Dark Armour Scrapper and my SR Scrapper what solely used Confront, me on Recluse, him on a the Red Gen, every time he soul drained with all his toggles on he drew aggro. Turning off the auras his threat was lowered and he didn't draw aggro especially notably so in the taking down of Recluse with which he was in melee range.

No one knows exactly how the formula will work for one the AI mod is completely unknown, the debuff mod could be anything between 1 and 2, and each attack or effect that is simultaneous by way of another power may add a formula which stacks which is why I prefer physically testing things to theory. If you had your toggles on then perhaps you would of been the greater threat.

I'd like to with my lvl 1 PB or WS on Protector come watch such a thing.


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So you could go standard Kheldain or decide to specialize at level 24 like the SOA and Just be Nova, Dwarf or human and obtain other unique powers as you level up so you stand out from the Tri form kheld.
This is an...interesting idea to say the least. The Nova would become more and more blaster-esq I'd imagine, and the Dwarf would probably go more along the lines of a tanker, with Human being a blapper with shields. Not sure how well it would work out though. Its a rather massive overhaul of two ATs.


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Cheers Joe, that's pretty cool

But... Requiring macros?. And ya know, you're still losing time and toggles by turning to Dwarf in the first place. Still seems clumsy.
Not if you're using dwarf to teleport into a mob, and taunting to get them nice and close.

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This is an...interesting idea to say the least. The Nova would become more and more blaster-esq I'd imagine, and the Dwarf would probably go more along the lines of a tanker, with Human being a blapper with shields. Not sure how well it would work out though. Its a rather massive overhaul of two ATs.
It could be something like a "form mastery" power. You could add something like chain induction, or a target'd AoE to nova form and something in the likes of Spring Attack into dwarf.