Actually my Bane is better in game than what Mid's is telling me. I took my build on Mid's built it in game and checked my combat attributes, found out that my defense is actually higher in game.
Checked everything I could too, the io sets I have used, accolades, incarnate abilities, etc and still my Bane in game has better %'s. Not that I am complaining just sorta weird.
I run him like a tank too, only thing that gives him problems are Praetorian baddies but I am running at +4/x8 so I don't expect everything to be easy...
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Originally Posted by Talen Lee
The only thing more tiresome than the people who care about purples are the people who aggressively don't care about purples and expect the former group to think them so very impressive because of that.
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Uh yeah, sure.
Mostly i think it's more that some people think that many of the set bonuses found outside of purples are more useful than the set bonuses common to most purple sets. Builds that use every purple set that can be slotted instead of other sets usually do not perform as well as other more focused builds. But then again i think you were just making an inflammatory post for the sole purpose of trying to create some sort of forum drama. That's sort of cute and silly. *pats on Talen Lee on the head*
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Purples have their place, but they aren't the be all, end all of sets. Some characters get a lot of mileage out of them - Controllers for example, while other characters don't get much out of them - Tankers generally.
Personally my builds will all be IO'd by around 35 focusing on things that benefit the character... sometimes that means a multi billion inf build and sometimes that means under 100 million. That's me personally though, I really don't much care what bonuses (if any) my teammates may have as long as their competent players. Whenever I'm forming anything I take whoever comes along with whatever they want to play and we make it work.
COH has just been murdered by NCSoft. http://www.change.org/petitions/ncso...city-of-heroes
Purples do have their place but that's mostly in the Auction house earning you huge stacks of inf with which to create a build that works for you
Thelonious Monk
Um, what is this "Ultimate" thing you're all talking about?
NOR-RAD - 50 Rad/Rad/Elec Defender - Nikki Stryker - 50 DM/SR/Weap Scrapper - Iron Marauder - 50 Eng/Eng/Pow Blaster
Lion of Might - 50 SS/Inv/Eng Tanker - Darling Nikkee - 50 (+3) StJ/WP/Eng Brute - Ice Giant Kurg - 36 Ice/Storm Controller
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The level of set bonus you see in someone's personal info screen, for purples.
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Originally Posted by Wing_Leader
Um, what is this "Ultimate" thing you're all talking about?
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Purples and PvP IOs don't make a build, nor do IOs, some builds benefit more from it and there are diminishing returns as you throw more influence at a character. The "it depends on the player" statement is a little silly, I'm not saying it doesn't because given the same character and the same build two different people will play it differently, but the same person on a 200 million influence budget will be able to do much more with a 20 billion dollar budget.
There's a point where spending more will get you less but to a certain point spending more will get you more.
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Originally Posted by B_Nix
Purples and PvP IOs don't make a build, nor do IOs, some builds benefit more from it and there are diminishing returns as you throw more influence at a character. The "it depends on the player" statement is a little silly, I'm not saying it doesn't because given the same character and the same build two different people will play it differently, but the same person on a 200 million influence budget will be able to do much more with a 20 billion dollar budget.
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Still, the biggest contributor to a character's effectiveness is unquestionably the player behind it. A very experienced and competent player will outperform an inexperienced one no matter what the relative budgets are. Give an inexperienced player a fully optimized, fully IO'd character and an experienced veteran the same character slotted with SO's and the veteran will perform better. I've known players with 5 billion inf builds who were worthless and others who never use anything but SO's who I'd take on a team anytime. Budget spent on a build does not make a great teammate.
I'm reminded of someone I had the misfortune to team with one time... he had 5 purple sets slotted and a couple of PVP sets along with a random grab bag of high ticket IO's. He had to have sunk way over 10 billion in that build and yet he was shockingly ineffective on the team managing to eat the floor over 50 times on one TF. Out of the entire TF he was the only one to die and he managed it almost every other spawn. Yet to hear him talk he was the most awesome ever to play the game. A classic case of "more money than brains".
COH has just been murdered by NCSoft. http://www.change.org/petitions/ncso...city-of-heroes
I've been going through a (somewhat laborious) process of respeccing, tightening up, and fixing up a variety of builds I had been leaving alone for some time, and I gotta echo CMA here. Some builds need nothing, some builds need a lot.
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Originally Posted by Aneko
The level of set bonus you see in someone's personal info screen, for purples.
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NOR-RAD - 50 Rad/Rad/Elec Defender - Nikki Stryker - 50 DM/SR/Weap Scrapper - Iron Marauder - 50 Eng/Eng/Pow Blaster
Lion of Might - 50 SS/Inv/Eng Tanker - Darling Nikkee - 50 (+3) StJ/WP/Eng Brute - Ice Giant Kurg - 36 Ice/Storm Controller
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Originally Posted by Wing_Leader
Is this labeling scheme documented anywhere?
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http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Invent...t_Bonus_Values
If it is a +4 MO stf for instance, and the team already has 2 blasters and a tank, s it really unfair that the leader wants to know if people are support type sets?
I totally agree with some of the posts here about builds. Purple and ultimate bonuses do not make the toon. Especially on Freedom, I see a LOT of builds stacked with purples and pvp IOs, that I would not consider for any TF (obviously trials you have to be less picky). Most of the time they are pvp builds, who skip buffs and debuffs powers.
Also, do not forget..all the purple sets in game will not suddenly make a toon called
xXx UbersterNublet xXx cool.