SPELL CHECK. C'mon!
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I agree with the op that these mistakes take away from the immersion a bit.
However, I do hope that any and all of you are sending in /bug reports and pointing these out. Best way for them to get to this quicker is right when you see these typos, stop and /bug it with as much information as possible.
They are human after all
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I tried sending bug reports for text errors. Seven year old typos are still there. Go and read Maria Jenkins' "Ask about this contact" text some time. Her arcs got updated (sometimes), but her description still has the pre-launch shoddy writing, and no-one looked at it. Also, during the Eternal Nemesis arc, Archon Cassady is still referred to as Fieldmarshal Bulech, I think in the mission entry clue. I've reported that. It's still there.
Look, I get the occasional bug, missed trigger, misaligned texture and so on. These are often hard to catch. But obvious mistakes I catch on the first read-through just have no excuse to exist, not in the quantity that they do. Seriously, guys - hire an editor, or at least have someone with a sharper eye read through all of your texts before you greenlight them. And make sure it's someone who hasn't read them before, as you become blind to mistakes once you know the text well enough.
Yeah, it's not a big deal, but it's UGLY. Ugly mistakes like this make the game look very unprofessional, even if it's otherwise very good and very competent. Especially now that we're trying to woo new players, presentation should really be top priority, and ugly typos really detract from that presentation.
Seriously, hire an editor, or at the very least run the mission text through a Beta forum of some sort where a select few people will go specifically to find faults with your writing. Or at the VERY least, don't bin "text error" bug reports before they even reach QA, please.
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I tried sending bug reports for text errors. Seven year old typos are still there. Go and read Maria Jenkins' "Ask about this contact" text some time. Her arcs got updated (sometimes), but her description still has the pre-launch shoddy writing, and no-one looked at it. Also, during the Eternal Nemesis arc, Archon Cassady is still referred to as Fieldmarshal Bulech, I think in the mission entry clue. I've reported that. It's still there.
Look, I get the occasional bug, missed trigger, misaligned texture and so on. These are often hard to catch. But obvious mistakes I catch on the first read-through just have no excuse to exist, not in the quantity that they do. Seriously, guys - hire an editor, or at least have someone with a sharper eye read through all of your texts before you greenlight them. And make sure it's someone who hasn't read them before, as you become blind to mistakes once you know the text well enough. Yeah, it's not a big deal, but it's UGLY. Ugly mistakes like this make the game look very unprofessional, even if it's otherwise very good and very competent. Especially now that we're trying to woo new players, presentation should really be top priority, and ugly typos really detract from that presentation. Seriously, hire an editor, or at the very least run the mission text through a Beta forum of some sort where a select few people will go specifically to find faults with your writing. Or at the VERY least, don't bin "text error" bug reports before they even reach QA, please. |
Fair enough. It's not like I haven't read through those exact same missions and saw the same thing. I agree they need to hire an editor and have them go through all the text in game. Have that be their sole job. With my post, I just wanted to make sure people were taking responsibility for their experience of the game as well. I see you have done that and I know we all want the game to thrive.
I think War Witch was the main writer for in game no? Maybe she is just overwhelmed. It is a lot to keep track of. A sharper second set of eyes can't hurt. That or at least take action to the /bugs that are sent in if and when they are legitimate.
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Well, I used to report text errors, way back when. But when you see the same text errors year after year... What's the use? I don't know if the bug reports ever get read, but the text errors simply don't get corrected. I don't think anyone cares any more.
And, seriously, why are text errors so hard to fix, even with precise instructions as to where they are? I've written a few Architect arcs and, of course, had no editor. When players played them, they sent me their final thoughts and pointed out text errors in there, usually half a dozen of more. Within 15 minutes of reading the report, I would have the text errors fixed and the arc submitted for a republish.
I sincerely believe that Paragon Studios need at least one person whose whole entire job is to play through new arcs before they're published, read every line of text and write detailed reports as to what's wrong and where. Said person should also have text error bug reports forwarded directly to his mailbox for him to verify and document. In-between doing that, when no new arcs or bug reports exist to be read, said person's job should be to just play the game and read all the text it supplies.
If that's what it takes to weed these things out of the game, then that's what it takes, because having 7 years of bad spelling and grammar is was funny, then it was sad, then it was funny again and now it's starting to turn sad once more.
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I sincerely believe that Paragon Studios need at least one person whose whole entire job is to play through new arcs before they're published, read every line of text and write detailed reports as to what's wrong and where. Said person should also have text error bug reports forwarded directly to his mailbox for him to verify and document. In-between doing that, when no new arcs or bug reports exist to be read, said person's job should be to just play the game and read all the text it supplies.
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After that initial sweep to fix all the current typos it shouldn't be too much to ask that all future text be spell-checked at the very least. The amount of "extra" time it would take the Devs to do this could be measured in seconds. In this day and age to support any application without routine spell-checking is borderline laughable and very unprofessional by any company.
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FWIW, I actually sent in a resume and cover letter/pitch offering to remote contract as an editor. Sole job - finding and correcting all the spelling, grammar, and canon mistakes ("Dr. Richard Keyes" being the one that always makes me wince, with the trainer in Atlas referred to as "Miss Liberty" being right behind it).
And as a tech writer/editor with 20 years' experience, yes, I think I'm qualified to do just that.
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The worst offender so far has been "per say" (I don't remember what arc it was but I do remember doing a real-life facepalm ). All they need now are "would of" and "irregardless" to complete internet grammar trifecta.
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"Internet grammar trifecta" is right up there with "Wheel of Time trilogy" as far as understatements go.
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I'm assuming by all the rancor you are all ivy league university English professors; no?
Typos happen - send in a /bug report about and post on the forums, sans the freak-out-emotion over a typo.
I'm assuming by all the rancor you are all ivy league university English professors; no?
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But when the "occasional typo" gives way to dozens of errors that despite everyone's attempts to send in /bug reports for years never seem to get fixed then I think the Devs deserve to take a healthy dose of constructive criticism for that. At the very least allowing all the typos to linger as they do is unprofessionally sloppy and it speaks to the very real concern that if they are willing to let that much slide in this area then how much are they letting slide when it comes to the actual important code of the game?
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I too find the numerous spelling and grammatical errors in the game very depressing and immersion-breaking. I don't know how their dialog//text database is set-up, but it would have to be an extremely-poor setup if text errors can't be easily fixed.
Aside from the already-discussed errors, the one area that's always reeked of poor workmanship is the Invention System - specifically in the textual descriptions of each recipe and/or corresponding IO, There are many instances of a given recipe and it's corresponding IO that are named slightly differently, or even have differently-worded descriptions. Furthermore, there's the "code gibberish" error in numerous recipe/IO descriptions that has yet to be fixed.
There's many people that play the game that would be more than willing to do the editorial work for the game. I'd even be willing to give it a shot, even though I only classify my writing skills as, "Above Average".
With the current quality I'm guessing that there's either nobody performing this task, that person is considerably overloaded, or woefully incompetent for the job.
I briefly discussed this in a global channel not long ago; a lot of people said that if spelling breaks my immersion that I'm too uppity.
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And shouldn't it be *spelling* check?
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I too find the numerous spelling and grammatical errors in the game very depressing and immersion-breaking. I don't know how their dialog//text database is set-up, but it would have to be an extremely-poor setup if text errors can't be easily fixed.
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And considering how quick many AE authors (amateurs, writing missions for their own entertainment) are to fix such errors when they are pointed out to them by a helpful commenter, the professionals who write missions for money have no excuse.
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You forgot "alot" (this may actually show up somewhere, I don't recall off the top of my head), and my personal (un)favorite, "rediculous."
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I think you've missed the entire point of why this upsets some people...
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Snark? Yes, but I'm getting sick of the increasing ESL feel in CoH...
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I ran into a similar situation many years ago when I was a shoe salesman. There was a Mexican man studying our display of work boots, and when I asked if I could help him he replied, "I am seeing only". Of course he meant, "I'm just looking", but it sounded odd because he didn't know the slight difference in meaning between "seeing" and "looking".
I've lost track of the number of bug reports I've filed for spelling errors at this stage. There certainly seems to have been a large increase in them from GR onwards.
The worst offender so far has been "per say" (I don't remember what arc it was but I do remember doing a real-life facepalm ). All they need now are "would of" and "irregardless" to complete internet grammar trifecta.