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Help with Bots/FF MM

Katie V

By Katie V,
Posted on: 2011-10-03 17:24 in Masterminds

 

Posted

Okay, so, I'm slowly getting back into the swing of things. However, making new toons makes me realize just how crappy my old primary is. Part of this is the fact that most of the enhancements he has are too low level now (I've gained a few levels, but I'm not sure what's actually good as far as enhancements go) or empty (I was never sure what was good for these powers).

I've got respecs to spare, but I need some guidance on what isn't going to be terrible.

I'm gonna go ahead and post what I have. Try... try not to laugh too hard.

Robotics
Battle Drones
Three Accuracy, Three Damage

Equip Robot
Three endurance reduction, one empty

Protector Bots
One To-Hit Debuff, One Healing, One Defense Buff, One Damage, Two Accuracy

Assault Bot
Three Accuracy, Three Damage

Upgrade Robot
One Endurance Reduction, Three Empty

Force Field
Force Bolt
One Lvl 21 Kinetic Crash (Knockback, Accuracy)

Deflection Shield
One Endurance Reduction, One Recharge Reduction, One Range, One Karma (Defense/Endurance Reduction)

Insulation Shield
Two Recharge Reduction, Two Endurance Reduction

Personal Force Field
One Recharge Reduction, Three Empty

Dispersion Bubble
Two Endurance Reduction, One Defense Buff, Two Empty

Repulsion Bomb
One Empty

Force Bubble
One Endurance Reduction

Leadership
Assault
One Endurance Reduction, Two Empty

Tactics
One Endurance Reduction, One To-Hit Buff, One Empty

Flight
Hover
One Empty

Fly
One Flight Speed

Group Fly
One Flight Speed, One Empty

Medicine
Aid Other
One Heal, Two Empty

Aid Self
Three Empty

Fitness
Swift
One Empty


Obviously, there are some issues with this build. I recognize a lot of them. I could definitely do better, but I'd rather get some advice from you guys to make sure I don't make new mistakes.

Thanks, all.

EDIT: I should mention I play PvE almost exclusively. Never got much into PvP.

EDIT 2: And I'm level 39. Just need to do the final training. It occurs to me that that's important information.

 

Posted

Here is a basic build you can use as an example of how to slot Robots/Force Field.
You can swap any pool powers you want, but the primary and secondary set powers are slotted well.

(Edit: The slot placement levels may be off though. The important thing is to slot the proper enhancements and the proper amount of slots into a power.)


Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.95
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Level 50 Magic Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Robotics
Secondary Power Set: Force Field
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Teleportation
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Concealment
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Battle Drones

  • (A) Accuracy
  • (5) Accuracy
  • (5) Endurance Reduction
  • (11) Damage Increase
  • (34) Endurance Reduction
  • (36) Damage Increase
Level 1: Force Bolt
  • (A) Accuracy
Level 2: Deflection Shield
  • (A) Defense Buff
  • (7) Defense Buff
  • (9) Defense Buff
Level 4: Insulation Shield
  • (A) Defense Buff
  • (7) Defense Buff
  • (9) Defense Buff
Level 6: Equip Robot
  • (A) Endurance Reduction
Level 8: Hover
  • (A) Endurance Reduction
  • (11) Endurance Reduction
  • (40) Flight Speed
  • (40) Flight Speed
  • (46) Defense Buff
  • (48) Defense Buff
Level 10: Recall Friend
  • (A) Endurance Reduction
Level 12: Protector Bots
  • (A) Accuracy
  • (13) Endurance Reduction
  • (13) Defense Buff
  • (17) Healing
  • (34) Defense Buff
  • (34) Healing
Level 14: Teleport
  • (A) Endurance Reduction
  • (15) Endurance Reduction
  • (15) Endurance Reduction
  • (36) Range
  • (36) Range
Level 16: Personal Force Field
  • (A) Endurance Reduction
  • (17) Endurance Reduction
  • (50) Defense Buff
Level 18: Maneuvers
  • (A) Endurance Reduction
  • (19) Endurance Reduction
  • (19) Defense Buff
  • (25) Defense Buff
  • (37) Defense Buff
Level 20: Dispersion Bubble
  • (A) Endurance Reduction
  • (21) Endurance Reduction
  • (21) Defense Buff
  • (23) Defense Buff
  • (25) Defense Buff
Level 22: Tactics
  • (A) Endurance Reduction
  • (23) Endurance Reduction
  • (33) To Hit Buff
  • (43) Endurance Reduction
Level 24: Stealth
  • (A) Endurance Reduction
  • (31) Endurance Reduction
  • (31) Defense Buff
  • (46) Defense Buff
Level 26: Assault Bot
  • (A) Accuracy
  • (27) Accuracy
  • (27) Endurance Reduction
  • (29) Damage Increase
  • (29) Endurance Reduction
  • (31) Damage Increase
Level 28: Invisibility
  • (A) Endurance Reduction
  • (39) Endurance Reduction
  • (40) Endurance Reduction
Level 30: Assault
  • (A) Endurance Reduction
  • (33) Endurance Reduction
  • (33) Endurance Reduction
Level 32: Upgrade Robot
  • (A) Endurance Reduction
Level 35: Fly
  • (A) Endurance Reduction
  • (37) Endurance Reduction
  • (37) Endurance Reduction
Level 38: Force Bubble
  • (A) Endurance Reduction
  • (39) Endurance Reduction
  • (39) Endurance Reduction
Level 41: Charged Armor
  • (A) Endurance Reduction
  • (42) Endurance Reduction
  • (42) Resist Damage
  • (42) Resist Damage
  • (43) Resist Damage
  • (43) Endurance Reduction
Level 44: Electrifying Fences
  • (A) Accuracy
  • (45) Endurance Reduction
  • (45) Immobilisation Duration
  • (45) Recharge Reduction
  • (46) Immobilisation Duration
Level 47: Photon Grenade
  • (A) Accuracy
  • (48) Endurance Reduction
  • (48) Endurance Reduction
  • (50) Recharge Reduction
Level 49: Grant Invisibility
  • (A) Endurance Reduction
  • (50) Endurance Reduction
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Level 1: Brawl
  • (A) Empty
Level 1: Sprint
  • (A) Empty
Level 2: Rest
  • (A) Empty
Level 1: Supremacy
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift
  • (A) Flight Speed
Level 2: Hurdle
  • (A) Jumping
Level 2: Health
  • (A) Healing
Level 2: Stamina
  • (A) Endurance Modification
  • (3) Endurance Modification
  • (3) Endurance Modification

 

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Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Immortalus View Post
Level 1: Battle Drones
  • (A) Accuracy
  • (5) Accuracy
  • (5) Endurance Reduction
  • (11) Damage Increase
  • (34) Endurance Reduction
  • (36) Damage Increase

Level 12: Protector Bots
  • (A) Accuracy
  • (13) Endurance Reduction
  • (13) Defense Buff
  • (17) Healing
  • (34) Defense Buff
  • (34) Healing

Level 26: Assault Bot
  • (A) Accuracy
  • (27) Accuracy
  • (27) Endurance Reduction
  • (29) Damage Increase
  • (29) Endurance Reduction
  • (31) Damage Increase
That's...really not an effective slotting for the bots. You're giving up far too much damage, and neither you nor the bots are gaining anything from endurance reduction. Here's what I'd do:

Battle Drones: 3 damage, 2 to 3 accuracy.
Protector Bots: 2 defense, 1 endurance, 1 heal, 1 accuracy, 1 damage.
Assault Bot: 3 damage, 1 to 3 accuracy.

I've never seen an Assault Bot or Battle Drone run out of endurance even in an extended GM fight, and without endurance reduction, a Protector Bot takes about four minutes to run down -- right about the time it's starting to apply the second round of bubbles.

In general, you've got things slotted far too heavily for endurance reduction, and not well enough for their primary purposes. With the latest changes to FF, a Bots/Bubbles with no personal attacks can run all their toggles unslotted and still have endurance to spare.

 

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Okay, done the respect more-or-less as you said. I grabbed the Blood Mandate set from the store and slotted it into the drones. I ended up taking Katie's advice for the Protector Bot and Assault Bot. Instead of stealth power pool, I went with medicine, just to have a way of getting my bots back on their feet if they get hammered.

They do seem to be doing a lot better now, especially now that I've gotten rid of all of the red enhancements and bought new ones.

 

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Once you're ready for something a little more advanced, then have a look at this one (my current build I still see no reason to change!)...

Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.92
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Master Zaprobo: Level 50 Technology Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Robotics
Secondary Power Set: Force Field
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Medicine
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Battle Drones -- BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg(A), BldM'dt-Dmg/EndRdx(3), BldM'dt-Acc/EndRdx(3), BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), BldM'dt-Acc(5), BldM'dt-Dmg(7)
Level 1: Force Bolt -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(7)
Level 2: Pulse Rifle Burst -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(9), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(9), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(11), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(11), Dev'n-Hold%(13)
Level 4: Deflection Shield -- EndRdx-I(A), DefBuff-I(13), DefBuff-I(15), DefBuff-I(15)
Level 6: Equip Robot -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 8: Insulation Shield -- EndRdx-I(A), DefBuff-I(17), DefBuff-I(17), DefBuff-I(19)
Level 10: Hover -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-ResKB(19), Winter-ResSlow(21)
Level 12: Protector Bots -- BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg(A), BldM'dt-Dmg/EndRdx(21), BldM'dt-Acc/EndRdx(23), BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(23), BldM'dt-Acc(25), BldM'dt-Dmg(25)
Level 14: Fly -- Frbd-EndRdx(A), Frbd-Fly(27), Frbd-Stlth(27)
Level 16: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(29)
Level 18: Repair -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(29), RechRdx-I(31)
Level 20: Dispersion Bubble -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(31), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(31), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(33), RedFtn-Def(33)
Level 22: Tactics -- EndRdx-I(A), ToHit-I(33), ToHit-I(34), ToHit-I(34)
Level 24: Aid Other -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(34), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(36), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Dct'dW-Heal(36), Dct'dW-Rchg(37)
Level 26: Assault Bot -- HO:Nucle(A), HO:Nucle(37), HO:Nucle(37), S'bndAl-Build%(39), EdctM'r-PetDef(39), SvgnRt-PetResDam(39)
Level 28: Aid Self -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(40), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(40), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(40), Dct'dW-Heal(42), Dct'dW-Rchg(42)
Level 30: Personal Force Field -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 32: Upgrade Robot -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 35: Detention Field -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(43)
Level 38: Force Bubble -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(43), EndRdx-I(43)
Level 41: Scorpion Shield -- EndRdx-I(A), DefBuff-I(45), DefBuff-I(45), DefBuff-I(45)
Level 44: Web Envelope -- Enf'dOp-Acc/Rchg(A), Enf'dOp-Acc/EndRdx(46), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob/Rchg(46), GravAnch-Hold%(46)
Level 47: Web Cocoon -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(48), RechRdx-I(48), RechRdx-I(48)
Level 49: Power Boost -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 0: Born In Battle
Level 0: High Pain Threshold
Level 0: Invader
Level 0: Marshal
Level 50: Nerve Core Paragon
------------
Level 1: Brawl -- KntkC'bat-Knock%(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Supremacy
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Flight-I(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(50), EndMod-I(50)



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Quote:
Originally Posted by Katie V View Post
That's...really not an effective slotting for the bots. You're giving up far too much damage, and neither you nor the bots are gaining anything from endurance reduction.
It's a very basic slotting, I put together really quick recently, that will work for multiple pet types.

I actually made it that way to ensure they would never have endurance issues because they don't do any damage with no endurance.
I also made it with my Demon Summoning build on my mind a bit, and they need endurance reduction from my experience.

(Edit: I also made the build specifically to allow enough endurance recovery for the mastermind to attack with at least the two later AoEs. My Demons/Force Field build uses even more attacks, so endurance is at a premium.)



Anyway as I said, it's just a very basic slotting that will give the original poster an idea of what they need to slot for.