WP/SS Tank


Finduilas

 

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I have just come back to the game after a year away and I am in the process of respecing my characters for the changes that have occured since I left. My current project is my WP/SS Tank:

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I have a few questions.

1. With Fitness being an inherent ability now is Physical Presence the epic power set I should aim for if I am mostly concerned with mitigation?

2. Currently I have tier 3 Alpha unlocked (and slotted with Spiritual Partial Core Revamp) would Cardiac be better for layering resistance or is the regen boost from Spiritual better)?

3. Are there any slots/powers I can drop which will give me better overall mitigation? I have debated dropping Aid Self...but there are times it is useful and I haven't made up my mind yet.

Any assistance that could be provided would be wonderful.


 

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Originally Posted by RMasters View Post
I have just come back to the game after a year away and I am in the process of respecing my characters for the changes that have occured since I left. My current project is my WP/SS Tank:

I have a few questions.

1. With Fitness being an inherent ability now is Physical Presence the epic power set I should aim for if I am mostly concerned with mitigation?

2. Currently I have tier 3 Alpha unlocked (and slotted with Spiritual Partial Core Revamp) would Cardiac be better for layering resistance or is the regen boost from Spiritual better)?

3. Are there any slots/powers I can drop which will give me better overall mitigation? I have debated dropping Aid Self...but there are times it is useful and I haven't made up my mind yet.

Any assistance that could be provided would be wonderful.
Nice build.

*Are* you concerned with mitigation? And if so, what exactly are your concerns? In general, soft-capped WP tanks are considered to be pretty darn sturdy.

Physical Perfection (which is what I'm guessing you're referring to) just provides more regen and recovery, something a WP tank has in abundance. I suppose even more regen would provide a little more mitigation, but that's not the route I would go.

Cardiac would give you more recovery, which you don't need, and a bit more resistance; with the Core Paragon you'd have around 77% S/L resistance instead of 70%. Is that worth giving up the recharge and regen benefits of Spiritual? In my opinion, definitely not.

I personally wouldn't recommend dropping Aid Self, I don't know how often you use it, but it's another good mitigation tool and especially helpful for burst damage.

What you might want to consider is an epic pool that provides control/debuffs instead. For instance, if you don't mind 'going villain' temporarily, the Soul Mastery pool on redside has some very nice debuffs. There are similar options on blue side, or you could go with more damage (always potent mitigation!) by picking up the Pyre Mastery pool.

Hope that helps!


My Characters

Knight Court--A CoH Story Complete 2/3/2012

 

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I have a lvl 50 WP/SS tank that is built a different way then yours, and i took the fire epic pool. I like the extra AoE in it IE fire ball. I built it with HAMI in mind. I do not have aid self. I am sitting at 44.6% on s/l and 48% on en/neg. 70% res to s/l and I usually run at 4x8 on most of my mish.


 

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I guess the major issue I am seeing is having my Recovery Rate zeroed out on Incarnate Trials. Now that may be a function of the fact I am only +1 currently; however, I am having issues keeping toggles up when I have no recovery for 10+ seconds.

If that issue goes away when I get to +3 then I probably don't need to worry about mitigation; however, currently it is very frustrating.


 

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Originally Posted by RMasters View Post
I guess the major issue I am seeing is having my Recovery Rate zeroed out on Incarnate Trials. Now that may be a function of the fact I am only +1 currently; however, I am having issues keeping toggles up when I have no recovery for 10+ seconds.

If that issue goes away when I get to +3 then I probably don't need to worry about mitigation; however, currently it is very frustrating.
That's really a different problem than needing more *damage* mitigation, which is what I thought you were talking about. And a pretty surprising problem for a WP tank.

What is causing your recovery to bottom out? Are you using endurance so fast your recovery rate can't keep up? Are you being hit with attacks that reduce your recovery rate?

If you're using endurance too fast, then more end reduction and more recovery is the obvious answer. In that case picking up Physical Perfection would be a good idea.

If you're getting hit with a lot of recovery debuffing attacks, the higher ToHit in Itrials might be part of the problem. You might want to consider picking up Barrier to give you a temporary defense/resistance boost for those times when you're struggling.


My Characters

Knight Court--A CoH Story Complete 2/3/2012

 

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So normal game play (really anything outside of incarnate content) I have no issues with endurance; however, running a LAM today there were 3 instances where my recovery rate was set to to 0 for at least 10 seconds. Depending on when I noticed my recovery was nil and on whether a rage crash occurred it was possible for my end to crash during the window.

I am sure the added tohit that they have was a factor; however, I am unsure whether buffing defense is worth it when this is the only time I am having this issue.


 

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Originally Posted by Finduilas View Post
That's really a different problem than needing more *damage* mitigation, which is what I thought you were talking about. And a pretty surprising problem for a WP tank.

What is causing your recovery to bottom out? Are you using endurance so fast your recovery rate can't keep up? Are you being hit with attacks that reduce your recovery rate?

If you're using endurance too fast, then more end reduction and more recovery is the obvious answer. In that case picking up Physical Perfection would be a good idea.

If you're getting hit with a lot of recovery debuffing attacks, the higher ToHit in Itrials might be part of the problem. You might want to consider picking up Barrier to give you a temporary defense/resistance boost for those times when you're struggling.
To kind of go along with this is that if u also get the accolade from the Rickti raids a zone that helps out with some of it too.


 

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Originally Posted by RMasters View Post
I guess the major issue I am seeing is having my Recovery Rate zeroed out on Incarnate Trials. Now that may be a function of the fact I am only +1 currently; however, I am having issues keeping toggles up when I have no recovery for 10+ seconds.

If that issue goes away when I get to +3 then I probably don't need to worry about mitigation; however, currently it is very frustrating.
The problem you're having is quite common for any char with no inherent recovery resistance and no ageless destiny slot. You're being hit with Drain Psyche which will completely destroy your recovery for the 30 seconds or so that the debuff lasts. The problem is even worse if you're an /SS tank and get hit with a rage crash. My suggestion is to get a tier 3 ageless destiny slot which will give you +rec +end for 90 seconds. Can easily be slotted before doing any lambda trial or fighting anything with -rec or -endurance.

My recommendation with wp/ss is to skip aid self. I haven't opened your build but if you're soft cap to s/l/e/n damage and have solid regen numbers then the only thing that will ever kill you is debuffs. In those cases aid self won't help simply because your defense will be debuffed so much that every attack will get through and it will be impossible to fire off aid self.

A couple of notable weaknesses with a WP/SS tank are the following:

-Lack of endurance drain/recovery resistance
-Small defense debuff resistance
-Rage crash of -20% def for 10 seconds or so (not applied as long as rage is double stacked)
-Low resistance to e/n/f/c/toxic damage types
-No click heal like Dull Pain or reconstruction

To combat these weaknesses I'd recommend the following:

-Tier 3 ageless for when fighting endurance draining enemies
-Tier 3 or higher barrier for +res/def
-Tier 3 or higher rebirth heal/regeneration

These can all be switched out and slotted at any time based on the situation or enemy type being faced. The spiritual alpha slot is certainly better than cardiac simply because cardiac will hardly affect e/n/f/c/toxic damage resistance. I would also recommend going soul mastery as Darkest Night provides a lot of mitigation and will also help to provide an extra layer of defense through -tohit which will go well with willpower's lower defense debuff resistance.