Just so you know: Tri Form Warshades can solo level 51 Arch Villains in normal content.
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
I got lucky, I admitted it. What more do you want?
Are you suggesting I photo-shopped it or something? All I did was prove that I have the DPS to take down an AV, if you want I can do it again if I get a meat shield, but I really see no point to it. |
No, I'm saying that you probably either had a friend help you or you used your lore pets and dismissed them before you took the screen shot.
If you just happened to get lucky, you wouldn't be posting the screenshot here as proof of your ability to solo an AV on an Emp defender (which doesn't even belong here in the first place.)
You'd be starting a new thread in the defender forums, saying "Hey I soloed an AV on my Empath! Without Lore pets, inspirations, or any outside help!"
At which point a bunch of people would probably say "lol k."
Just like I'm saying right now.
Some people like AIB might give you the benefit of the doubt-- But I wouldn't expect too many others to be as generous as he is and offer to PAY YOU to do it again...
Bottom line- It's very convenient that you encountered some "lucky glitch" that allowed your emp defender to solo an AV without insps, pets, or temps at the exact time that this conversation created an optimal point-proving opportunity for you to do so. It is much more likely that you are not being truthful.
Once again: I would love to be wrong about this. If I am, prove it, and I will have no problem apologizing to you publicly.
I don't know Auroxis and can't be sure he did what he claimed, but the numbers don't lie and it is possible for an emp/rad to solo a level 51 Chimera without temps/insps/pets. I see no reason to doubt what he says.
On the other hand, dishonest people tend to be the first to doubt others. If soloing AVs on a warshade wasn't trivial nowadays, I'd think your attitude in this topic would suggest your friend might not have done what you claim he did.
Regardless, I'd be careful with randomly throwing cheating accusations around, especially if you're looking for credit for what is essentially the same thing.
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I never said I soloed it, in my original post I said "here's proof that I can dish out enough damage without pets". If I was able to solo a level 51 AV with no pets and luck, I would undoubtedly start a thread about it and even bother to record it. |
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
No, I'm saying that you probably either had a friend help you or you used your lore pets and dismissed them before you took the screen shot.
If you just happened to get lucky, you wouldn't be posting the screenshot here as proof of your ability to solo an AV on an Emp defender (which doesn't even belong here in the first place.) You'd be starting a new thread in the defender forums, saying "Hey I soloed an AV on my Empath! Without Lore pets, inspirations, or any outside help!" |
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Some people like AIB might give you the benefit of the doubt-- But I wouldn't expect too many others to be as generous as he is and offer to PAY YOU to do it again... Bottom line- It's very convenient that you encountered some "lucky glitch" that allowed your emp defender to solo an AV without insps, pets, or temps at the exact time that this conversation created an optimal point-proving opportunity for you to do so. It is much more likely that you are not being truthful. Once again: I would love to be wrong about this. If I am, prove it, and I will have no problem apologizing to you publicly. |
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Okay, then this is just a misunderstanding. I thought you were saying something that you weren't and for that I apologize. |
Originally Posted by Auroxis
I never said I soloed it, in my original post I said "here's proof that I can dish out enough damage without pets". If I was able to solo a level 51 AV with no pets and luck, I would undoubtedly start a thread about it and even bother to record it.
Again, it was just proof that my DPS without pets is sufficient to beat an AV's regen, not that I can solo AV's without pets, I never claimed so. If you want to arrange for a meat-shield I could do it again. |
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Originally Posted by Nihilii
I don't know Auroxis and can't be sure he did what he claimed, but the numbers don't lie and it is possible for an emp/rad to solo a level 51 Chimera without temps/insps/pets. I see no reason to doubt what he says.
On the other hand, dishonest people tend to be the first to doubt others. If soloing AVs on a warshade wasn't trivial nowadays, I'd think your attitude in this topic would suggest your friend might not have done what you claim he did. Regardless, I'd be careful with randomly throwing cheating accusations around, especially if you're looking for credit for what is essentially the same thing. |
I was going to leave my response at just "lol?" because it seemed most fitting, but since when is soloing AV's on a Warshade trivial!?!
edit- nvm
lol indeed
I'm going to try and record soloing a level 50 AV with inspirations, no glitch this time. Will update with results.
Edit: Made it, will try to upload it.
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Surely, you'll give it a shot. (Yeah, and, it could just be me, but it seemed that you were posting the pic to prove that you did what I did...the glitch wasn't mentioned at first.) |
Originally Posted by Auroxis
This was purely a showing of damage, though it didn't start out that way. I started off attacking and staying alive using my Empathy powers, and then I simply out-ranged him or he bugged out so he stopped attacking. All this was with T3 Judgement and Reactive(T4 would have made it faster for sure), No pets of any kind, no red insps, no Call to Power, and no temp powers. I used my Judgement when it was up, PBU when it was up(except at the end), and Geas when it was up. My attack chain is Neutrino Bolt(slotted with a regular proc, purple proc, and -res proc)-Neutrino Bolt-Cosmic Burst(slotted with a regular proc). In that case I would say yours is still more impressive.
As for your offer, I would gladly take it but it took quite a while for me to get it down and I'm not sure I can reach the same situation of out-ranging/glitching him. |
But if you just outranged him that is still pretty awesome that you are able to pump out that much damage with just a few attacks. And without inspirations and call to power both of which I used...albeit I was on the front line the entire time.
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I just want to witness it via video or first person perspective (would my presence on the 2 person team increase Chimera's stats?) |
Originally Posted by Nihilii
I don't know Auroxis and can't be sure he did what he claimed, but the numbers don't lie and it is possible for an emp/rad to solo a level 51 Chimera without temps/insps/pets. I see no reason to doubt what he says.
On the other hand, dishonest people tend to be the first to doubt others. If soloing AVs on a warshade wasn't trivial nowadays, I'd think your attitude in this topic would suggest your friend might not have done what you claim he did. Regardless, I'd be careful with randomly throwing cheating accusations around, especially if you're looking for credit for what is essentially the same thing. |
If so then the video is the way to go.
I really don't think soloing AVs without pets of any kind (except the native Extracted Essences) is trivial.
I assure you that what I did did not involve a glitch, as the multiple battle pics indicate.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...35#post3759435
Done!
Can I have that 500 mil now? 
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Nice, Auroxis!
I just want to add that, 'glitch' aside, outranging an opponent is just as valid a form of mitigation as anything else.
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"So, here is my offer.|
Originally Posted by Auroxis
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Make a Video of you soloing Chimera (AV) again without any Pets (Lore or Non Lore) that are not native to your toon.
Post it and I will give you 500 million inf.
OR
Let me come to your server and team with you and watch you take down Chimera (AV) again as I snap pictures of the action.
And I will give you 500 million inf."
I wanted you to do what you did AGAIN...even if you used the glitch...or a bunch of inspirations.
I never intended nor implied that you could lower the difficulty.
It is evident that you could not solo a Level 51 Chimera which is why you took it upon yourself to lower him to a Level 50.
These remarks and your recent actions speak volumes,
- "I never said I soloed it, in my original post I said "here's proof that I can dish out enough damage without pets". If I was able to solo a level 51 AV with no pets and luck, I would undoubtedly start a thread about it and even bother to record it.
- "Again, it was just proof that my DPS without pets is sufficient to beat an AV's regen, not that I can solo AV's without pets, I never claimed so. If you want to arrange for a meat-shield I could do it again."
Which is exactly what I wanted you to do.
So, for the time and effort you put into making the video LOWERING THE DIFFICULTY and defeating the LEVEL 50 CHIMERA (AV). I will give you 500 million influence.
I am sure that there will be many within the community who think that I should not reward you for what you have done. I am also sure that they will be all the more convinced of it when they read through this thread.
But, here you go...
Is your Global Email @Auroxis?
P.S. Maybe you can use these funds toward a toon that can solo a Level 51 Chimera (AV) since your Emp/Rad Defender can't do it.
Or can he...with enough inspirations...I think he might be able to...keep on trying for me will ya.
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Originally Posted by Microcosm
Nice, Auroxis!
I just want to add that, 'glitch' aside, outranging an opponent is just as valid a form of mitigation as anything else. |
He almost ran out of breakfrees...which would have led to him getting sliced and diced.
Hover blasting has always been a great way of handling tough targets.
Since you are here Micro...
How much more difficult would this be for him to do it to a Leve 51 Chimera AV?
(Think he could do it with judicious use of large inspirations???)
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Yeah, that influence will go into my scrapper, who can solo AV's pretty handily(but can certainly use the influence to make things go faster).|
Originally Posted by AIB
So, for the time and effort you put into making the video LOWERING THE DIFFICULTY and defeating the LEVEL 50 CHIMERA (AV). I will give you 500 million influence. I am sure that there will be many within the community who think that I should not reward you for what you have done. I am also sure that they will be all the more convinced of it when they read through this thread. But, here you go... Is your Global Email @Auroxis? P.S. Maybe you can use these funds toward a toon that can solo a Level 51 Chimera (AV) since your Emp/Rad Defender can't do it. Or can he...with enough inspirations...I think he might be able to...keep on trying for me will ya. |
Global is @Auroxis, by the way.
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Resistance differences between a lvl 50 AV and a 51 AV is less than 1%; hp-wise the 51 should have about 600 more hit points. I think it certainly would be doable.
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Originally Posted by AIB
How much more difficult would this be for him to do it to a Leve 51 Chimera AV?
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While the resistance is slightly higher on a 51, and the HP is pretty much the same, you have to look at the purple patch and see what the difference in tohit and damage would be (you do slightly less damage to +1 enemys, and hit slightly less as often, plus they do slightly more damage to you, and hit you slightly more often)
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Originally Posted by Microcosm
Resistance differences between a lvl 50 AV and a 51 AV is less than 1%; hp-wise the 51 should have about 600 more hit points. I think it certainly would be doable.
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Yes, but if Auroxis added in a few t3 red insps, I can't imagine the damage being an issue. I seriously doubt that build has problems hitting, and the -res from Achilles should not be affected by the purple patch, as the entity actually applies it to self.
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The regenerated HP per second is based upon the total HPs right?|
Originally Posted by Microcosm
Resistance differences between a lvl 50 AV and a 51 AV is less than 1%; hp-wise the 51 should have about 600 more hit points. I think it certainly would be doable.
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So, over the course of a 23 minute battle, would this not have a more statistically significant affect?
Additionally, there were a couple of times in the video where a little more damage from the AV would have been fatal for our Epic Empath.
I still think it could be overcome, if he used larger inspirations. He would have to diversify them a bit more though.
At anyrate, it was not a Level 51 Chimera AV, which btw is what I took down. I figured I'd toss that out in case people are wondering why this Warshade thread has turned into a Defender thread.
Enjoy the funds Auroxis. No go back to the Defender boards. Party crasher!
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Yeah, thought of this too.|
Originally Posted by Arbegla
While the resistance is slightly higher on a 51, and the HP is pretty much the same, you have to look at the purple patch and see what the difference in tohit and damage would be (you do slightly less damage to +1 enemys, and hit slightly less as often, plus they do slightly more damage to you, and hit you slightly more often)
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(Someone really needs to teach me how to quote multiple threads in the same post...Board N00B here)
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That boost should be rather minor and easily overcome by adding in some red insps, especially t3's which are a 50% boost to base damage. The trick is in whether using them would allow Auroxis to defeat the AV in short enough time that he or she doesn't need as many break free's. My suspicion is that it would, but I couldn't prove it without actually trying. Whether extra damage from a slightly higher AV would be enough to kill the defender in question before victory is somewhat a matter of luck (RNG).|
Originally Posted by AIB
So, over the course of a 23 minute battle, would this not have a more statistically significant affect?
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I also have to wonder if Auroxis's build is designed specifically for soloing things. I highly doubt it is, considering Empathy's nature. If not, then a few minor changes to the build could counter the difference in 50 and 51 AV as well.
At this point, I don't even remember where the "arguments" in this thread came from or why they mattered. Kudos to both of you for doing some interesting things.
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In my experience fighting an AV that is a level below me IS significantly easier than fighting one at the same level.|
Originally Posted by Microcosm
That boost should be rather minor and easily overcome by adding in some red insps, especially t3's which are a 50% boost to base damage. The trick is in whether using them would allow Auroxis to defeat the AV in short enough time that he or she doesn't need as many break free's. My suspicion is that it would, but I couldn't prove it without actually trying. Whether extra damage from a slightly higher AV would be enough to kill the defender in question before victory is somewhat a matter of luck (RNG).
I also have to wonder if Auroxis's build is designed specifically for soloing things. I highly doubt it is, considering Empathy's nature. If not, then a few minor changes to the build could counter the difference in 50 and 51 AV as well. At this point, I don't even remember where the "arguments" in this thread came from or why they mattered. Kudos to both of you for doing some interesting things. |
I just unequipped ALL of my Incarnate abilities (Alpha slot included) and soloed a Level 49 Chimera (AV) like it had to be done back in the day.
I assure you that my build is not designed for taking down AVs. As anyone from Protector who has teamed with me can tell you.
Check out the pics on the new Kheld brag board.
And Auroxis, be kind and don't post your uber empath pics on the Kheld brag board.
Later folks.
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I remember having an argument a few years ago with Turbo_Ski, among others, on whether a warshade could solo an AV at all (or even an EB, but we could prove that was possible at the time). Wish I had those pics then |
Originally Posted by AIB
I just unequipped ALL of my Incarnate abilities (Alpha slot included) and soloed a Level 49 Chimera (AV) like it had to be done back in the day.
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Btw, THB never posted your build, would you mind sharing? I don't recall seeing gravity well in your tray, which has got me all curious now..
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Sorry about that Microcosm, I have been pretty preoccupied today. Here is AIB's build.|
Originally Posted by Microcosm
I remember having an argument a few years ago with Turbo_Ski, among others, on whether a warshade could solo an AV at all (or even an EB, but we could prove that was possible at the time). Wish I had those pics then
Btw, THB never posted your build, would you mind sharing? I don't recall seeing gravity well in your tray, which has got me all curious now.. Edit: That, I am pretty positive, would be impossible for an empath, insps or no :P |
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Level 4: Gravity Shield -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 6: Dark Nova -- GSFC-Build%(A)
Level 8: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(9), RechRdx-I(40)
Level 10: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 12: Sunless Mire -- Oblit-%Dam(A), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(19), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(21), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(21), Oblit-Dmg(23)
Level 14: Shadow Cloak -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 16: Tactics -- Rec'dRet-Pcptn(A)
Level 18: Grant Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 20: Black Dwarf -- ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), ImpArm-ResDam(23), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(25), ImpArm-ResDam/Rchg(25)
Level 22: Stygian Circle -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 24: Vengeance -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(40), LkGmblr-Def(50)
Level 26: Unchain Essence -- Ragnrk-Dmg(A), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(29), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(29), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(31), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(31), Ragnrk-Knock%(31)
Level 28: Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 30: Phase Shift -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 32: Dark Extraction -- S'bndAl-Dmg(A), S'bndAl-Dmg/Rchg(33), S'bndAl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), S'bndAl-Acc/Rchg(33), S'bndAl-Dmg/EndRdx(34), S'bndAl-Build%(34)
Level 35: Quasar -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(36), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Oblit-%Dam(37)
Level 38: Eclipse -- Efficacy-Acc/Rchg(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(39), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(39), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(39)
Level 41: Stygian Return -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Stimulant -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 47: Aid Self -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A)
Level 49: Resuscitate -- RechRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Dark Sustenance
Level 1: Shadow Step -- Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 10: Shadow Recall -- Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A)
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Level 6: Dark Nova Emanation -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(7), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(9), Posi-Dmg/Rng(11), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(11), Posi-Dam%(13)
Level 6: Dark Nova Detonation -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(13), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(15), FrcFbk-Rechg%(15), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(17), Posi-Dam%(17)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Strike -- Hectmb-Dmg(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(34), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(40), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Hectmb-Dam%(42)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Smite -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(42), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(43), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(43), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(45)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Mire -- Armgdn-Dmg(A), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(45), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(46), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(46), Armgdn-Dam%(46)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Drain -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(48), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(48), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48), Nictus-Acc/Heal(50), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Heal/HP/Regen(50)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Step -- Winter-ResSlow(A)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Antagonize -- Zinger-Dam%(A)
No worries, I was just chompin at the bit since I didn't see Gwell, which turns out you really dont have. Do you do your fighting in dwarf then?
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Originally Posted by Microcosm
No worries, I was just chompin at the bit since I didn't see Gwell, which turns out you really dont have. Do you do your fighting in dwarf then?
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I am aware of its stats, but this build is what works for my personal preferences and play style.
I do my fighting in Dwarf, Nova and Human though Human is used primarily for buffs, pets, nukes and team assitance.
I'll provide a rationale for my build decisions, for my PB and WS, in the posts I have created.
Are you suggesting I photo-shopped it or something? All I did was prove that I have the DPS to take down an AV, if you want I can do it again if I get a meat shield, but I really see no point to it.
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