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The problem for me is when we go through a stretch of basically level 45-50 TFs for a month and I want to level guys who are below that. Add in trials and I am often forced to lead a regular team even on the bigger pop servers. Some days I want to log on and get on a team and just kind of kick back, but the state of the game goes against that.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
Not sure I agree with that, Desmodos. Even back in the day running TFs was lucrative but now with the WTF they could hardly make generating pool Ds any easier. They practically hang a big bullseye over one TF a week, so far selected for variety and avoiding the terrible ones, and yell "Hey, fastest players on the server! Here's something you're probably going to want to do at least half a dozen times this week because the reward for time invested is insane!" In my experience this usually results in pick up teams with at least a few lowbies on em and they typically level at least once from the colossal bonus at the end, while also earning a minimum of iirc 40 merits so far.
Farming, for me, is the thing to do when nobody else is on and tips don't sound exciting and there's no clerical work to take care of in the form of working on an accolade power. In spite of that, every character I complete lately seems to be about two billion more expensive than the last because what else is there to do with all the money you get? |
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Is this in regards to farming, or do people ALWAYS skip melt armor? I love it, and have mine 6 slotted. I dont mind the 1.5min recharge because I use it on harder targets, and it lasts for 40 seconds so its on almost 50% of the time. Yeah, it only does -9% res, but over 40 seconds that seems significant to me. For someone with perma-hasten levels of recharge it should be able to stack for bosses and AVs wouldn't it?|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Yes to Fireball. Avoid Melt Armor like the PLAGUE.
It has an insanely long recharge, and you will barely even notice any effect from it. It is the most commonly skipped power in Blaze Mastery. More people take Ring of Fire than Melt Armor. |
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There is almost always a better choice to spend your power picks and slots on. It's not so much that Melt Armor is a horrible power in and of itself, it's just that scrappers almost always have something more useful they can take. |
Originally Posted by Mr_Kingkillaha
Is this in regards to farming, or do people ALWAYS skip melt armor? I love it, and have mine 6 slotted. I dont mind the 1.5min recharge because I use it on harder targets, and it lasts for 40 seconds so its on almost 50% of the time. Yeah, it only does -9% res, but over 40 seconds that seems significant to me. For someone with perma-hasten levels of recharge it should be able to stack for bosses and AVs wouldn't it?
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The -9% resistance really isn't all that significant. You'll boost your overall damage output more just by popping a single small red inspiration, which A) lasts 20 seconds longer, and B) You don't have to wait 90 seconds to use another one.
Even if your enemy has resistance to your damage type, you will STILL boost it more with an inspiration than Melt Armor. A small red boosts your damage by 25%, half of that is 12.5% (enemies rarely have more than 50% resistance to any damage type). Melt Armor on the other hand is still giving you just a 9% boost.
In my opinion, by choosing it and 6 slotting it, you probably wasted a power pick, and definitely wasted 5 slots that could have been more useful somewhere else.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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To be fair, the small red only boosts base damage. The -resist will boost all of your damage. Considering that he easily has damage slotted to the ED cap, the -9% resist most likely translates to about 18% extra damage. Much more if he has damage buffs running already.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Even if your enemy has resistance to your damage type, you will STILL boost it more with an inspiration than Melt Armor. A small red boosts your damage by 25%, half of that is 12.5% (enemies rarely have more than 50% resistance to any damage type). Melt Armor on the other hand is still giving you just a 9% boost.
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I still agree with you, though, that Melt Armor is a wasted pick on a scrapper. There are almost always much better things he could be doing with those five slots. Hell, any fast recharging attack with -defense could be turned into a more reliable, more powerful, single target Melt Armor with the Achilles Heel proc.
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You know some people do enjoy farming. I have noticed with this game more than any other mmo I have ever played and I have been playing them since right after acheron's call released that the intolerance of the way other people spend their time in this game with absolutely no impact on other peoples is mind boggling, I am completely content to mindlessly farm all the time not because I need the money or because I am greedy but because I like to destroy massive amounts of people, I like to tweak my build to find what I can do to improve my times what tactics I can use to become a little better and I like the randomness of the ticket turn ins, I don't like to group except with friends and I hate running missions I just really like to go to AE make a couple farm runs then log off and go do something else. It amazes me that people are so judgmental about what other people are doing and have such a narcissistic approach about why can't everybody play exactly like me otherwise they are doing it wrong, but fortunately I do have a solution though if people don't like me farming then they can pay my subscription and then I will play however they would like me to. Sorry I just felt like I needed to get that out there I see a lot of anti farm animosity, but I don't see many people from the other side express their feelings on the matter, and while I completely respect your views that farming may not be for you all I ask is that you respect ours of being content to go into AE and never come out ...except maybe to do some incarnate stuff then go back in and well do what we do.
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Originally Posted by Prophetsrage
You know some people do enjoy farming. I have noticed with this game more than any other mmo I have ever played and I have been playing them since right after acheron's call released that the intolerance of the way other people spend their time in this game with absolutely no impact on other peoples is mind boggling, I am completely content to mindlessly farm all the time not because I need the money or because I am greedy but because I like to destroy massive amounts of people, I like to tweak my build to find what I can do to improve my times what tactics I can use to become a little better and I like the randomness of the ticket turn ins, I don't like to group except with friends and I hate running missions I just really like to go to AE make a couple farm runs then log off and go do something else. It amazes me that people are so judgmental about what other people are doing and have such a narcissistic approach about why can't everybody play exactly like me otherwise they are doing it wrong, but fortunately I do have a solution though if people don't like me farming then they can pay my subscription and then I will play however they would like me to. Sorry I just felt like I needed to get that out there I see a lot of anti farm animosity, but I don't see many people from the other side express their feelings on the matter, and while I completely respect your views that farming may not be for you all I ask is that you respect ours of being content to go into AE and never come out ...except maybe to do some incarnate stuff then go back in and well do what we do.
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2) Not really sure who you are aiming this at. Folks are just expressing their opinions.
3) Maybe decaff?
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Typical that was pretty much the response I expected - basic - your points are valid so I cannot argue with that so I will attack you grammatically or on some other grounds.|
1) Punctuation is your friend. 2) Not really sure who you are aiming this at. Folks are just expressing their opinions. 3) Maybe decaff |
I was not aiming at anyone in particaular and was expressing my opinion as well but you proved my point in that my opinion is inferior to yours because it is not in line with your thoughts and feelings.
Listen like I said I respect your views and I am sure you are likely very knowledgeable about the game in general, I just want to make the point that some people simply enjoy farming and it is no more complicated than that and overall I see a lot of animus towards people who do and the post was simply a compilation of past posts and current insighting a response in defense of farming as simply a play style.
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Typical that was pretty much the response I expected - basic - your points are valid so I cannot argue with that so I will attack you grammatically or on some other grounds.
I was not aiming at anyone in particaular and was expressing my opinion as well but you proved my point in that my opinion is inferior to yours because it is not in line with your thoughts and feelings. Listen like I said I respect your views and I am sure you are likely very knowledgeable about the game in general, I just want to make the point that some people simply enjoy farming and it is no more complicated than that and overall I see a lot of animus towards people who do and the post was simply a compilation of past posts and current insighting a response in defense of farming as simply a play style. |
This in a thread where I made post supporting AE Farming?
There is nothing wrong with folks expressing their opinion against farming. That does not mean they are attack folks who chose to farm.
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This in a thread where I made post supporting AE Farming?
There is nothing wrong with folks expressing their opinion against farming. That does not mean they are attack folks who chose to farm. |
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Originally Posted by Deuce_Spade
I'm not at all interested in picking a fight over this, but I thought I'd chime in since people are professing genuine ignorance about farming motives.
I don't do it because I'm greedy. I like loot and influence as much as the next player, but nothing in this game seems too difficult to get with a minimal amount of effort. Other than PLing, farming doesn't seem necessary from a greed standpoint. |
Whether you farm for influence, recipes, tickets, or xp, it can be tossed under the category of greed. I farm, too, when I need that extra bit of income, want to help some friends get some levels, or am just bored and don't feel like running any missions. More recently I've been farming to fund alts and revive some older characters. I wouldn't deny that I have greedy motives behind some of those examples. "There's an exception to every rule," of course, and I never intended the use of "greed" to describe farming as evil or anything. Just a comment. Feel free to disagree, anything pertaining to this subject is personal opinion, anyway.
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I disagree because their opinion about farming does not really make sense whether someone chooses to farm with a toon they created on their account has no bearing on the people around them it is akin to a racial bias in that hatred towards a farmer is because he is a farmer and with no more or less substance than that.|
Originally Posted by Desmodos
This in a thread where I made post supporting AE Farming?
There is nothing wrong with folks expressing their opinion against farming. That does not mean they are attack folks who chose to farm. |
Let's look at it like this cox is ice cream and you like to eat your ice cream with a spoon in a bowl but I like to put mine in a cup and let it melt then just drink it. Expressing a negative view towards farming makes about as much sense as saying if you don't eat your ice cream the same exact way I eat mine you need to fall off of the earth.
[QUOTE=Prophetsrage;3687755]I disagree because their opinion about farming does not really make sense whether someone chooses to farm with a toon they created on their account has no bearing on the people around them it is akin to a racial bias in that hatred towards a farmer is because he is a farmer and with no more or less substance than that.
Let's look at it like this cox is ice cream and you like to eat your ice cream with a spoon in a bowl but I like to put mine in a cup and let it melt then just drink it. Expressing a negative view towards farming makes about as much sense as saying if you don't eat your ice cream the same exact way I eat mine you need to fall off of the earth.[/QUOTE
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Seriously though, let the farmers farm, and the players play. We balance each other out in the end. W/O farmers, the people who like to just go to the black market/WW and get the enhancements and receipes wouldn't be able to do that. But thanks to the farmers, you can. I know a great many players who HATE fighting the same mobs over and over and over again just to get tickets/drops/rares for their build. Let the Farmers take care of it for you and play on.
Farmers who need to run missions and complete certain objectives have the players to fall on for their knowledge and support. Now you get to show off your fancy build because it was placed on the Marketplace for you to purchase. Now we over here like, "nice build". You guys are can be powerhouses.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
There is almost always a better choice to spend your power picks and slots on. It's not so much that Melt Armor is a horrible power in and of itself, it's just that scrappers almost always have something more useful they can take.
The -9% resistance really isn't all that significant. You'll boost your overall damage output more just by popping a single small red inspiration, which A) lasts 20 seconds longer, and B) You don't have to wait 90 seconds to use another one. Even if your enemy has resistance to your damage type, you will STILL boost it more with an inspiration than Melt Armor. A small red boosts your damage by 25%, half of that is 12.5% (enemies rarely have more than 50% resistance to any damage type). Melt Armor on the other hand is still giving you just a 9% boost. In my opinion, by choosing it and 6 slotting it, you probably wasted a power pick, and definitely wasted 5 slots that could have been more useful somewhere else. |
I look at melt armor from a teaming perspective too. Most of the time I spend on my scrapper is in a duo with my friend's blaster, and a few other people at times. On a small team that is lacking in other debuffs that 9% seems pretty cool to me.
My scrapper isn't a high end build by this forums standards, but I still dont agree that slotted melt armor is THAT big of a waste. Maybe not the best choice, but not bad.
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Arbroeaux! Seriously though, let the farmers farm, and the players play. We balance each other out in the end. W/O farmers, the people who like to just go to the black market/WW and get the enhancements and receipes wouldn't be able to do that. But thanks to the farmers, you can. I know a great many players who HATE fighting the same mobs over and over and over again just to get tickets/drops/rares for their build. Let the Farmers take care of it for you and play on. Farmers who need to run missions and complete certain objectives have the players to fall on for their knowledge and support. Now you get to show off your fancy build because it was placed on the Marketplace for you to purchase. Now we over here like, "nice build". You guys are can be powerhouses. BAM! We work together. |
.And Prophets the secret to farmers not speaking up is because (according to your joindate) before you joined when the AE was first added there was a ton of ways to exploit certain enemies, created by the devs of course, but before AE were only controllable by a dev's hand designing a mission map. With AE people plucked out support characters with no offensive powers and stuffed them onto maps, and 50s were being born in under 4 hours. Reckless farmers invited noobs to their farm for free, creating "AE babies"; players who joined the day before with an insta-50 and didn't know Atlas Park wasn't the only zone.
When the exploits were stopped and some characters were actually reverse-leveled anyone who spoke up/whined about the exploits going away on the forums had their thread deleted, and possible posting rights taken away it was such a problem.
Understandably so some members are still afraid to admit to farming in general because of that memory.
I farm because I just plain don't enjoy playing lower level characters with only a few concept based(meaning primary/secondary not inherent, vet, temp, or pool) attacks. The faster they are out of the teens for me the better. The lv32, 38, and Ancillary powers are usually the most epic feeling to use(at least for me with most powersets, before Incarnates) and I like having them sooner. Also any non-melee character isn't offered any non-pool protection power until Ancil/Epics at 41, and for my squishies that have gotten above that those are powers to live by.
Even though I enjoy farming(or it's benefits I should say) I still have been playing CoH for 3.5 years with no interuptions in subscription and only have 6 50s.
Also the big one; it's City of Heroes. As a forum-goers sig says; I have more fun feeling overpowered killing things weaker than me, like a superhero. Being evenly matched, struggling, or of course laying dead don't feel "super" to me
.I actually was given CoH as a gift from Mom who didn't know it was an MMO, and it was my first. I loved my Gameboy games 10x more after getting a Gameshark to get the best of the best faster, it's just how I am lol.
Before Incarnates people complained CoH "had no endgame". I never agreed with that, I've always had the most fun on my 50s. Now with the incredible Incarnate powers I strive to get more characters there ASAP even more so.
I'm actually planning a fire3 scrapper for use in my-resistance-based AE missions now. I have no preference of AT really but I've seen some amazing things done with Fiery Aura. So farmers; how are fire/fire/fire scrappers
? I actually don't have many scrappers, I read over Critical Hit's info last night, that looks like it's perfect for highrank enemies in a farm I'd say?
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From an efficient, I got a lot of alts to feed perspective, WTFs are not even in the same ball park. Even the fastest WTFs, say a 20 minute ITF or a 15 minute Apex TF will never generate the same amount of Influence and/or recipe drops as the equivalent time spent farming.
Mind you, I'm not claiming is a fun thing to do. Given the choice, I'd run a TF anyday over farming. But leveling and slotting efficiency, there is no comparison.
Granted, once the new trials launch, and we can leverage E and A merits, I'll likely have a different opinion.