The chain is Smite -> Midnight Grasp -> Smite -> Siphon Life. You can calculate the recharge required for each power. Divide the base recharge of a power by the shortest total Arcanatime animation times between uses and subtract 1 for the base recharge speed. That means Smite needs to recharge in 2.112 seconds because Siphon Life animates faster than Midnight Grasp and Smite doesn't start recharging until it is finished animating.
MG>Smite>SL>Smite (Usually you want to lead off with MG so that you can cycle it the most within a Build-up/Soul Drain.)
MG: 234.2% recharge
Smite: 184.1% recharge
SL: 116.5% recharge
The percentiles are total recharge, combining global recharge and the enhancement of the power itself.
Optimal for what? Endurance usage, damage output, least recharge? Gaidin is alive!!!
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Most of the time (when hasten is up) on my DM/SD I seem to be able to skip one of the smites and run MG > SL > Smite and then repeat. Wouldn't that be better? IDK I basically only run teams. Maybe I was buffed and didn't realize it. I'm kinda new to the optimal dps chain thing. I'm more of a run in and kill things however it works kinda guy.
What if you toss gloom into the mix of a DM/Soul Chain? On a Brute that is.
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I'm pretty sure procs make Smite your biggest DPA attack. That's why I use it first. It is only a small difference, though. Soul Drain might make MG higher DPA because damage bonuses don't affect procs, so I could be doing it wrong. I would have to check the math, but I don't have my DM/SD build on this computer.|
Originally Posted by Gaidin
MG>Smite>SL>Smite (Usually you want to lead off with MG so that you can cycle it the most within a Build-up/Soul Drain.)
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MG -> SL -> Smite requires 455% recharge for Midnight Grasp. The base recharge time is 100% and Hasten adds 70%. You probably have about 110% or so global recharge from sets so you can obtain perma-Hasten. With the tier 4 Spiritual Alpha, you might have 130% recharge enhancing MG. That's a total of 410%, or a .35s gap in the chain. With a SB, it is quite possible to perform that chain gapless.
Gloom does more base DPA (unenhanced, no procs) than any of your other attacks. Its recharge would prevent you from using it more than once per chain though. The activation time is only slightly longer than Smite, so replacing a Smite in the chain would make it slightly easier to obtain the necessary recharge for MG.
I thought MG required only 234% in order to run that chain...
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Not the normal chain. Midnight Grasp -> Siphon Life -> Smite. THAT requires 455% recharge.
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Originally Posted by Santorican
I thought MG required only 234% in order to run that chain...
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Yeah, I'm prob not running it quite gapless, but the gap seems to be less that the animation of an extra smite (which isn't really proc'd has a set of ToD so just 1 dmg proc.) I only have about 80% global recharge w/o hasten. So I was prob buffed and not paying attention.
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Originally Posted by Syntax42
Gloom does more base DPA (unenhanced, no procs) than any of your other attacks. Its recharge would prevent you from using it more than once per chain though.
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MG > Gloom > Smite > Siphon > Gloom > Smite
So that's two activations of smite and two activations of gloom.
IIRC I have a small 0.5s gap on the second gloom while hasten is running.
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O I didn't see that. Is there really that much difference in theoretical damage output than the normal chain?
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Originally Posted by Werner
Not the normal chain. Midnight Grasp -> Siphon Life -> Smite. THAT requires 455% recharge.
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Nope. Unenhanced, you're looking at virtually identical DPS, so it's down to how it's enhanced. It would be nice for survivability since it uses Siphon Life more often, but I've only seen one build capable of that kind of recharge, and it wasn't Dark Melee, and wouldn't be directly and easily adapted. You might accept a small gap for the sake of survivability, but generally speaking, I'd just stick with the normal chain, and spam Siphon Life if necessary. You'd probably lose less DPS overall, I'm guessing.
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Originally Posted by Santorican
O I didn't see that. Is there really that much difference in theoretical damage output than the normal chain?
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Originally Posted by Santorican
Gaidin is alive!!!
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Originally Posted by Syntax42
I'm pretty sure procs make Smite your biggest DPA attack. That's why I use it first. It is only a small difference, though. Soul Drain might make MG higher DPA because damage bonuses don't affect procs, so I could be doing it wrong. I would have to check the math, but I don't have my DM/SD build on this computer.
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Originally Posted by Werner
Nope. Unenhanced, you're looking at virtually identical DPS, so it's down to how it's enhanced. It would be nice for survivability since it uses Siphon Life more often, but I've only seen one build capable of that kind of recharge, and it wasn't Dark Melee, and wouldn't be directly and easily adapted. You might accept a small gap for the sake of survivability, but generally speaking, I'd just stick with the normal chain, and spam Siphon Life if necessary. You'd probably lose less DPS overall, I'm guessing.
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I was wondering what the optimal chain for DM was these days and how much recharge is required to achieve it
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