DM/Shield Scrapper vs SS/Wp brute.


Deus_Otiosus

 

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I have been considering building a new high end melee character with a medium budget. (About 3 billion inf and a few procs give or take) And have narrowed it down to either a DM/Shield Scrapper or SS/Wp brute. "Maybe" invuln, elec or fire armor... already have an elec/fire brute so not big on another fire.

I am wanting to be able to solo AVs and certain TFs. Itf plus possibly some of the lower ones. Pretty much just an all round badass toon.

Just curious about people's opinions and some pros/cons of the sets I am considering.

I figured I'd post this on the scrapper forum since a lot of the people who post here often seem to know their stuff about melee toons.


 

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I have a Super Strength/Willpower at 50, but I don't know the numbers or what it's capable of fully IO'd (mine is not). I just know it was fun to level, and I love love love Foot Stomp.

Dark Melee/Shield Defense is an excellent AV soloer. And I *think* someone posted about soloing the ITF on one, and pre level shift. Might have even been no temps, no insps. I don't really remember, though.


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Originally Posted by Werner View Post
Dark Melee/Shield Defense is an excellent AV soloer. And I *think* someone posted about soloing the ITF on one, and pre level shift. Might have even been no temps, no insps. I don't really remember, though.
Broken Prey did it pre level shift with no temps/insps iirc and I did it no temps/insp with the level shift


 

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I love my WP/SS/Arctic, he's pretty amazing for general use. I have no idea if he could solo an AV though.


 

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I just did a quick DPS calculation for a SS/WP brute doing: KO blow -> Haymaker -> Foot Stomp -> Punch -> Haymaker. I think that is the best possible attach chain for SS, but I could be wrong. Rage was double-stacked and Fury was at 75%.

It came out to 200 DPS. That doesn't account for Rage crashes.

For comparison, DM/SD Scrappers have reported over 280 sustained DPS in the Rikti Pylon results thread


Edit: Just calculated for 100 Fury (not realistic because it can't be sustained) and it came out to 221 DPS.

Here is the simple Brute build I used:

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Originally Posted by Syntax42 View Post
I just did a quick DPS calculation for a SS/WP brute doing: KO blow -> Haymaker -> Foot Stomp -> Punch -> Haymaker. I think that is the best possible attach chain for SS, but I could be wrong. Rage was double-stacked and Fury was at 75%.
KO Blow > Gloom > Haymaker > Punch > Gloom > Haymaker is the best chain.

You need like 250% rech in Gloom though.


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It came out to 200 DPS. That doesn't account for Rage crashes.

For comparison, DM/SD Scrappers have reported over 280 [I
sustained[/I] DPS in the Rikti Pylon results thread
200 might be a touch high, I'll run my SS/WP/Soul sometime today and see where the number is now after I've redone the build (I was around 190 DPS at the time, but I wasn't dual stacking rage IIRC.



The DM/SD Scrappers are also leveraging nearly perma-saturated soul drain with 10 targets.

Unless you are soloing AVs in the AE, I find this will be a somewhat unrealistic number to go by (very doable on the ITF though, but the auto-hit nictus is a PITA).

It's not impossible, but it is very difficult to always be surrounded and take on an AV at the same time. Player skill applies here IMO.



At the OP:

If your goal is soloing stuff, being highly survivable and dealing excellent ST damage - DM/SD is an amazing build. I enjoy my DM/SD solo, but on groups I prefer more AoE whenever possible.

SS/WP Brute is a very solable character, but I feel it shines against large groups and on team content - you will want around 30-45% SM/L defenses + Darkest Night for this character.


 

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Since I am still having problems deciding though (Both builds are great in different ways)

I'll do the logical thing and roll both starting with the DM/Shield scrapper.

Thanks a ton for all the input guys it's very appreciated.


 

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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus View Post
KO Blow > Gloom > Haymaker > Punch > Gloom > Haymaker is the best chain.

SS/WP Brute is a very solable character, but I feel it shines against large groups and on team content - you will want around 30-45% SM/L defenses + Darkest Night for this character.
Get the same defense number on a SS/FA Brute and replace Punch with Burn on that chain....




OK so what I'm saying is go with Fire Armor


 

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Get the same defense number on a SS/FA Brute and replace Punch with Burn on that chain....




OK so what I'm saying is go with Fire Armor
That only works for this guy named Iggy...hey wait a sec!!


 

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I've got the strange feeling that Broken Prey and Tektronics' toons cost a weee bit more then 3 bill, I could be wrong though.


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I've got the strange feeling that Broken Prey and Tektronics' toons cost a weee bit more then 3 bill, I could be wrong though.
You are quite correct sir, at least when it comes to my build.