Dual Bladez/???

Hi, all I was so happy with the feedback and help i got from information bout a scrapper build I decided to try out another post. I am thinking bout making a Dual Blade scrapper. Yet I can't fully decide on the secondary. As of right now I am stuck between Will Power and Reflexes. I already have a will power scrap so i know how it goes. But was wondering if Reflex could be a good secondary for Dual Blades as well?? I Would love some input, Thanks for your time

Superior Reflexes is a pretty sturdy set, especially with Aid Self as a backup.

However, could I tickle your taste buds with a Dual Blades/Invulnerability scrapper?

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Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dual Blades
Secondary Power Set: Invulnerability
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Medicine
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Nimble Slash -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5)
Level 1: Resist Physical Damage -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), Aegis-Psi/Status(5), Aegis-ResDam(7), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(45)
Level 2: Ablating Strike -- KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(7), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(9), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(9), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Achilles-ResDeb%(11)
Level 4: Temp Invulnerability -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(13), RctvArm-ResDam(13), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(48)
Level 6: Dull Pain -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-Rchg(15), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(15), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Dct'dW-Heal(17)
Level 8: Blinding Feint -- KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(A), KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(19), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(19), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(21), Rec'dRet-ToHit(21), Rec'dRet-ToHit/Rchg(23)
Level 10: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(23), RechRdx-I(25)
Level 12: Boxing -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Empty(A)
Level 16: Unyielding -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(27), RctvArm-ResDam(33), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(46)
Level 18: Vengeful Slice -- KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(33), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(34), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(34), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(36)
Level 20: Resist Energies -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(46), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(46), RctvArm-ResDam(48)
Level 22: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(36), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(39), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 24: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(25), HO:Enzym(27)
Level 26: Sweeping Strike -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(43), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(43), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(45), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(45)
Level 28: Invincibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(29), HO:Enzym(29), Rec'dRet-ToHit(31), Rec'dRet-Pcptn(31)
Level 30: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(31), HO:Enzym(33)
Level 32: One Thousand Cuts -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(37), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(37), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(37), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(39)
Level 35: Tough Hide -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 38: Stimulant -- Empty(A)
Level 41: Aid Self -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(42), Numna-Heal/Rchg(42), IntRdx-I(42)
Level 44: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 47: Physical Perfection -- P'Shift-End%(A)
Level 49: Resist Elements -- Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(50), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(50)
Level 50: Cardiac Core Boost
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(40), Mrcl-Rcvry+(40), RgnTis-Regen+(50)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(39), P'Shift-EndMod(40)

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The only major problem with taking SR as a secondary is that there isn't any 'skippable' powers outside Quicken and Elude. And in both cases those are very, very good powers to have.

Dual Blades, in my experience, also required a good number of attacks taken as you want to be able to use 2 combos in the set. All in all this will leave very little room for extras.

Aid Self is, as mentioned, would be very helpful in the build.

Willpower used to be the most popular choice for pairing with Dual Blades. It is a set that doesn't require any active button-pushing, unlike Regeneration. It is fairly easy to reach high survivability with Willpower, and easily reaches 32.5% defenses (1 small inspiration to soft cap) so you can fit plenty of recharge and +max HP in your build. You can skip the Tier 9 and the self-rez in Willpower.

Thanks for input, i'll gladly take more help and info, as of right now I have decided to go for DB/Rflx to see how it plays out. I'll also take into consideration what extra powers to use, since several of you have stated, that i will need almost all my primary and secondary powers (few exceptions)

I know I will probably get chopped up into little peices posting here on the scrappers forums but I'd go Brute instead of a scrapper for Dual Blades. While the starting damage is better but after 5 seconds in a fight a Brute will be dishing out more damage then a scrapper, along with more HP.

I second the willpower as secondary, its not to clickie and pairs very well with some Defensive Enh sets.

All that is true but the only combination brutes *really* fall behind on, natively, is /shield (and dark melee: forgot about soul drain for a sec). I'd second the dual blade/* brute because you can and will achieve that 150% (with glorious 200% using Frenzy every once in a while) and no secondary that can be paired with dual blades grants bonus damage.

Extra hit points and toughness, especially on something like /wp or /inv, is always handy. Running WP's skippable tier 9 and toughness pushes your smash/lethal resistance to 85%. That's a lot more potent than the scrapper capping out at 75%. Invulnerability also can pass that 75% scrapper cap with team buffs, orange inspirations, or running Unstoppable.

It is a good point about the incarnate abilities, however - though I thought I heard the nuke at least was the same damage regardless of AT? Any damage buff powers, though, would favor the scrappers definitely.

When I did the calculations for my own build (DB/inv scrapper vs brute), the brute needed 87 Fury (not "eventually 87 Fury", but "all the times 87 Fury starting at mission entrance before the first hit") to break even. So, even before the Fury nerf and Alpha slot, I gave up on that idea.

I really, really wish the brute would deal more damage, because with invul going brute is such a tremendous boon on an IOed out build. Dull Pain can boost you to 2800-2900hp rather than the 2400hp scrappers get stuck at. S/L can go up to 80% with Cardiac and the PVP IO, and sturdies or Unstoppable can boost everything to 90%.

The incarnate abilities sometimes favor scrappers, sometimes favor brutes. Alpha is a mixed bag ; Musculature is definitely better for scrappers, but Cardiac allows lots of previously tight on end brute builds to become fantastic. Spiritual is about as useful for either AT (maybe a little more for brutes on some combos, due to caps). Nerve is... Lol, nerve.

With I20, as far as I can tell brutes will get more out of Destiny (self buff) with their caps again - an invul brute running the very rare Barrier could be at 85% S/L res all the time and 90% most of the time ; or going with the +regen one, would regen faster than an invul scrapper thanks to the additional HP. Lore (pets) can arguably be easier to use on brutes than on most scrappers, thanks to the better aggro control. Judgement is IMHO either a tie or a winner for scrappers, because scrappers are more likely to use Musculature. Interface seems not too relevant compared to the awesomeness from the other slots, as little as it helps I'd say both ATs get the same out of it.