DM/SD Build: Review Requested


beowulf2010

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden_Pie View Post
oooops sorry about the order mix up, and we weren't really having a fued, but in order to get some AOE (i.e. Fire Ball) the marginal difference between Shadow Punch and Fire Blast doesn't make up for having more AOE dmg, which is a weak point of DM. I don't think that FB is all that and a ball a wax too but it gives range to a scrapper, a fairly good attack that's worth slotting, and a stepping stone to some desired AOE.

And yes the Mids numbers for Fire Blaze are too high.

As far as the attack chain I wish I could fit in a fully slotted Shadow Punch so I could keep SL in reserve for the moment I need it.

hmmmm....I wonder how Ball Lightning really compares in-game to Fire Ball??? Anyone know???

because Then I could do this...

Code:
| Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build |
|-------------------------------------------------------------------|
|MxDz;1421;688;1376;HEX;|
|78DA6593596F125114C7EFC04CB150A0145ABA03B50B4B19A18BD16AE283D544539|
|21AA26FA64EE116C6128A034DDA373F80EB7770FD5E3EF8E2F2E6830B9EF99F0B25|
|81B4F99D7BB67B96B9A5B3DD31219EDF125AE876C36AB70FCA15C76AB5A46394AC9|
|A5D113E21C44C4F7750920D29CD5DCB396631D1B7ECCA23D96C4BB35CB765A3DA3B|
|46EE35EBD291CD8ED913C2FB27270D734F5A55E9B4EB766BAC776ED9CD9A1F87724|
|BCA6A10E25DBB56EF90217EA76557CC72C76A1CBB559C1E94AC76473AE7D3545D86|
|FE1DB74CFCBA8658F5085114E369460E98C800F35920F395B020FC410AD010A58B4|
|9CDB578B6E9A40BE189E1A84F69AEA31E0702E4AFB1BF4763872CFCBD22CBE163E4|
|E1650FC3FB90550F186520B44C5813A13490DFF0A238AADEE02861A4846B3925954|
|F35E47B225CAF580598AA322C60FA90B10C04E9FA514EA48DEE702719C5294A1750|
|B600573BC13D44C812546D05D9121B07E6D5344294378CCEBB229CC2554B141451E|
|92239A8161961728EAA6EA29C4E23E749EE464C96B0022FA9E26AF6F102BC663719|
|5B3CD92290DF00CEC87D862B30667E2343EA0FB0FC1758FDC7E8320406AB53D49CB|
|A64CE8F448B41201500D64240260C447DEE9679E80BEF9068F13D5FF20958FBC0F8|
|08E43F7BDC559D535482A3F404AF2AC9AB4AF2AA92BCAA14AF2A42E35952EE4BD79|
|0E8F275C60EE3065F7993BF5F725F51D35CE1D17FA1DED26A9AE959A89E510D3955|
|79EE08AAF51AA3CEB081E253C631F08B5EBEA94A313770DD954DC616631B285EE53|
|744A514D4BD85756498D7FBEF8EFEE827F60635FC2DEFEBEA95914A835342EF3FBC|
|EEBEDFFD84587E3C205B03F2E1803C3A2EDCE542FEE6EF3F48A1E551D1F741551AA|
|A1F172A4D7B844D8FDCC7FBFB796131B4176872E42570E915E335E07FC3780B1486|
|9ACE0E698A439AAD21CDE690E63FA3E6DA50|
|-------------------------------------------------------------------|
I still don't get in which case Smite -> SL -> Smite -> MG would not be the optimal chain? Where does Shadow Punch come in?


BTW, Fireball > all other Anc target AoE's; pretty nice to have, but I am not sure how much people roll DM scrappers for AoE. It's known to be a primarily ST set with minimal AoE capabilities.


Virtue Speed Junkie
A Simplified Guide to Attack and Defense

 

Posted

People play how they want doesn't mean they'll be efficient at what they do, so long as they're having fun it doesn't matter. Fun > efficiency I see it this way, while GP might not be putting out the best AoE or ST damage compared to fire or electric their character will be a lot sturdier than a Fire or Electric melee/shield character due to have SL.


Virtue: @Santorican

Dark/Shield Build Thread

 

Posted

yeah I rolled DM for SL and Soul Drain, having Shield Charge and another AOE is to round the char. out. It's not like I only plan to solo AV's or Rikti pylons. When I solo I run at least +2 x 6 so yeah I need the AOE and it makes for a good teammate and a lot of orange on my screen with multiple crits....mmmm yummy, orange


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Santorican View Post
Does Fireball crit? I thought it didn't...
why yes, yes it does


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden_Pie View Post
why yes, yes it does
And how sweet those crits are when fully Soul Drained.

Yeah, no fued that I knew of, all I was trying to point out is that you're better off sticking with your Primary's attacks than by adding single target APP powers to an attack chain.

A couple things I could have said differently reading back on it now was to place a, "if you even took and slotted it" to the Shadow Punch versus Fire Blast comment, to mention that I was only really talking about the single target powers the single target APP, and that using an APP to fill a gap is a good thing but building a chain with an APP is (again, outside of Gloom) not as good as keeping with your Primary powers.

As for keeping Shadow Punch in your chain to save Siphon Life for when you need it, I personally wouldn't bother. In fact I don't even have Shadow Punch in my DM/Regen's build at all. In a gapless chain of Midnight Grasp=>Smite=>Siphon Life=>Smite you get Siphon Life firing off for a 194HP heal (I have not slotted Siphon Life for any Heal other than what my Alpha gives it) every 7.2 seconds. That's almost 27HP per second on top of your normal regeneration rate (if you have the Rare Alpha or put a single level 50 Heal IO in it), your softcapped defenses and whatever resistances you've picked up.


Beowulf -
Too many Alts, not enough 50's. Story of my life...

 

Posted

Yeah, Fued was...definitely not the most optimal word of choice. Just to discontinue my own word. But, in regards to the benefit of firing Siphon Life in the attack chain, I was curious and pulled the data out of the build I'll be running my own DM/SD off of. Once he has the Very Rare Spiritual, he'll be at 84.5/HPs between a 422 point heal factored in with his regen rate. No way I would give that up.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Warning: crazy space limit reached. Please delete some crazy and try again.

 

Posted

yeah sorry about that I was kind of pissy in my one post.....

But I think I'm gonna look at something like this which can use the MG>Smite>SL>Smite chain and for the situations where it makes sense I have Ball Lightning and Shadow Maul for some AOE. And on the rare occasion I need to pull I'll have Zapp to save a Blaster from dieing after snipping an AV or something...ha ha

Not to mention that when fighting those damn Praetorian robots and such, I need the extra attacks when they sloooooooowww me down. I think the Praetorian Seers also slow you down.

The only thing I fear on this toon is the Carin (sp?)


Code:
| Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build |
|-------------------------------------------------------------------|
|MxDz;1421;689;1378;HEX;|
|78DA6593596F125114C7EFC04CB150A074A33B5269CB3A4217A3D5C407AB89A6241|
|8A26F06A7700B630925034DDA373F80EB7770FD5E3EF8E2F2E6830B9EF99F0B2581|
|B4F9DDFB3FCB3DE7DCB9C5B3FD09219EDF165AE84ED3EA742AE5AA63B5DBD2318A5|
|6DDAE0A9F1062A1AF558AB229A5B96F39C7BC8C0D2CFBF248B63AD22C376CD9ACF5|
|B791FBAD867464AB6BF617E1D2C949D33C90564D3A9D86DD9EE8EFDB76ABEEC7A6D|
|C96B216C4F29E5D6F74C910BDDBB6AB66B96B358FDD2A4E2B45ABD395CEF93C5597|
|A27FC72D13BF9E21363C4214C464929101A652C0721A487D25AC087F90023444E96|
|256732D9E5DDAE9427866B0D5E734D7518F0201F2D7D8DFA3B1431AFE5E91E6F009|
|F2F0B287E17DC4D24346190825089B229404725B5E1447D51B1C258CB8702DA724F|
|95443BEA7C2F59AA90273358605CC1F321240908E1FE744DAF81E7792529CA37401|
|650B70B553DC43842C41D556902D3393C0B29A4688F286D1794F84E3386A8D82222|
|A5D240369951126E769D5CD34A7D3C87996BB11B3455C8197A4A89A7D340FAFC56D|
|C60E4FB600E4B68033725FE00A8C85DFC810FF0324FE021BFF183D86C060758A5A5|
|2872CF991683508C403C06608488581699F7BCB3CF4957748B4FA9E0FF9046C7E60|
|7C04729F3DEE559D53544C45C58E3082CB7546836103F16740E11888D094D6384A5|
|FBB8E7C576E30F61837F9E45BFC1993FBBA1AEA3ADFC0176A31A9869A5C84D4A152|
|322A6986A794E52965794A599E5281A7F48B5EBEA9DCCD2D4857B7193B8C5D76BFC|
|66F886AC8AB03F3591CB8AC0FDE1DFDD14F1C0C2BFC2D9774F5CA48D2E014D3070F|
|AF57F2BB9F10AF9F0CADADA1F5E1D07A7C52B8978BF537FFE0410A2D878ABE0F4B4|
|9483F2E244D7B8C9B1E7B80F7F7F3C262682FD0E4D84BE0D22BC66BC0FF86F116C8|
|8F349D1E510A23CACE88B23DA2FC07CC36DD63|
|-------------------------------------------------------------------|


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden_Pie View Post
yeah sorry about that I was kind of pissy in my one post.....

But I think I'm gonna look at something like this which can use the MG>Smite>SL>Smite chain and for the situations where it makes sense I have Ball Lightning and Shadow Maul for some AOE.
No worries Golden. I know I come across badly in text a lot of the times too so I never take anything I read personal unless it's extremely obvious that someone is being a complete jack-wad. Which you definitely were not being so I honestly didn't think much of it.

Still not fond of Shadow Maul as it's got a fairly low DPA and what, a 4 target maximum? Blech. Fireball (And Ball Lightning though I much prefer Firaball's animation) gets a huge double thumbs up from me and I tend to fire it off any time I can as long as I have over half Endurance and there's 3 or more targets in range. Too bad I'm gonna switch over to Soul Mastery at some point and loose it when I take Shadow Meld.


Beowulf -
Too many Alts, not enough 50's. Story of my life...