Set bonuses and the new Exemplaring
By
ChaosExMachina,
Posted on: 2011-02-06 10:29 in The Market and Inventions
The confusion comes because now powers and set bonuses exemplar differently. For powers it is a 5 level range and for sets it is 3 levels same as before.
On a level 30 taskforce or mission you will get set bonuses from IOs level 33 or lower, and all your powers from level 35 and lower.
Special case that also causes confusion:
Keep in mind that procs (like the stealth IO, Numina, and Performance Shifter) are not set bonuses they are special powers given by the IO itself and thus they will still work even as a level 50 IO as long as you have the power. You'll lose any set bonus if you go more than 3 levels below the IO, but the proc itself will still fire. On the other hand, if you slot a level 25 proc into a power you selected at level 41, it will not fire.
Also, if I recall correctly, you get to keep your set bonus even if you lose the power. So if you selected superjump at 41 and put two level 30 blessing of the zephyr into it, when exemped to level 30 you would not have access to the power (since it was selected higher than character level 35), but you should still have the 1%-ish defense bonus due to the sets being of appropriate level. If I'm wrong on this I'm sure someone will come along and correct me.
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From my reading that was the conclusion I was most confident in, but I wanted to ask for confirmation. Everything you said matched up with what I read on the wiki, so I think that answers the question, but anyone with anything to add please do!
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This actually depends on the proc. Ones that require the power to be used, like the three you mention, work as you describe. Good idea for the Heal ones to put them in the new inherent Health power from Fitness. |
Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
Special case that also causes confusion:
Keep in mind that procs (like the stealth IO, Numina, and Performance Shifter) are not set bonuses they are special powers given by the IO itself and thus they will still work even as a level 50 IO as long as you have the power. You'll lose any set bonus if you go more than 3 levels below the IO, but the proc itself will still fire. On the other hand, if you slot a level 25 proc into a power you selected at level 41, it will not fire. |
Procs that DON'T require the power to be used, like a LotG +rch, act like set bonuses in that the IO must be within 3 levels of your current, exemplared level, regardless of the power you put it in.
Edit: I got myself turned around replying to this since the examples I usually work with start with the level of the IO and then talk about what Level you need to be in order for them to work, whereas the example above starts with the Exemplar level and then talks about the level of the IO. 
But the info in the links below is correct.
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Ios
paragonwiki.com/wiki/Exemplar_Effects_on_Enhancements
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Table_of_Special_IOs
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Uh, don't you mean that the other way around?
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Correct.| On a level 30 taskforce or mission you will get set bonuses from IOs level 33 or lower, and all your powers from level 35 and lower. |
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| On the other hand, if you slot a level 25 proc into a power you selected at level 41, it will not fire. |
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| Bonuses from IO Sets stop working when those IOs in the Set are more than three levels *lower* than your current exemplar level. So, if you're level 30, then all the Set IOs that are Level 27 and higher count toward bonuses. |
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| A level 25 Special IO that acts like a Set Bonus stops working at level 21. |
Perhaps if the arcane and pointless rules can confuse even the guide master, they need to take that as a hint to make them more reasonable. Make them exemp universally.
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Yeah, I got it backwards, see the edit above.|
Originally Posted by ChaosExMachina
Uh, don't you mean that the other way around?
Perhaps if the arcane and pointless rules can confuse even the guide master, they need to take that as a hint to make them more reasonable. Make them exemp universally. |
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This makes me feel a little better about asking the question in the first place |
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Yeah, I got it backwards, see the edit above.
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Those are not procs those are "global" IOs.|
Originally Posted by Scientist
This actually depends on the proc. Ones that require the power to be used, like the three you mention, work as you describe. Good idea for the Heal ones to put them in the new inherent Health power from Fitness.
Procs that DON'T require the power to be used, like a LotG +rch, act like set bonuses in that the IO must be within 3 levels of your current, exemplared level, regardless of the power you put it in. |
Links: Global IOs
Procs
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After looking through the forums and ParagonWiki I'm not confident that I can find an up-to-date description of how set bonuses work now that there have been some changes to the way exemplaring works.
I am about to do a respec and I want to know how low my invention sets have to be if I want to be able to do a Citadel (at lvl 30) and still keep all my bonuses.
In the past I shot for lvl 33 so that at lvl 30 I would keep all my bonuses, but now I'm vaguely aware that you get some sort of 5 level buffer that allows you to actually have lvl 35 powers at 30, just scaled down to lvl 30 effectiveness. Is this correct?
Does this mean that at lvl 30 I will get bonuses from level 35 or even 38 IO sets? Or does the same 3 level from what you're displaying at still apply?