new [Sort of] computer for Double XP weekend
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Daimyo_Shi,
Posted on: 2011-01-25 15:19 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
Next page over, btw runnin 7 64 bit here, no problems.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=250356
The CPU looks good.
The motherboard looks good.
I'm not familiar with that brand of memory and couldn't find those exact modules on Gigabyte's compatibility list. If you're sure they're compatible, and you know it's a decent brand, then you're good to go.
CoH runs fine with Windows 7. I'm running Windows 7 Pro 64 bit. Whichever version of Win7 you get, make sure you install the 64 bit so you can access all that memory.
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I have an OEM version of Windows pro 64 bit to install.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
The CPU looks good.
The motherboard looks good. I'm not familiar with that brand of memory and couldn't find those exact modules on Gigabyte's compatibility list. If you're sure they're compatible, and you know it's a decent brand, then you're good to go. CoH runs fine with Windows 7. I'm running Windows 7 Pro 64 bit. Whichever version of Win7 you get, make sure you install the 64 bit so you can access all that memory. |
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Looks OK.
1) That's really a single video card motherboard. The other slot is really x4.
2) You are getting the ultimate overclocking Sandy Bridge CPU on the market, and coupling it with essentially generic DDR3-1333 memory? I would think this or this would be better for a 4 core/8 thread CPU.
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1) can you explain what you mean here I not sure what you mean, it comes with Crossfire for ATI but i am no master of the two card tech yet.|
Originally Posted by Father Xmas
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2) I am not over clocking it for starters, the processer uses 1333 memory, the Vengance is a 1667 stick, yes the Mother board can handle it but I matched the Memory to the processer recomodation. For now this will exceed my needs greatly later I may ove clock it but i need a new thermal for the processers and in that case I can upgrade the memory then.
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You have a motherboard where one slot is 16x and the other is 4x so the SLI will be at the SLOWEST speed and basically of no benefit.
My personal choices for memory are always either CRucial or Gskill.
Edit: see this one:
High performance X48 DDR3 for LGA 775 w/ CrossFireX ASUS P5E3 PRO LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard
ASUS P5E3 PRO LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard
LGA 775 Intel X48 4×240pin DDR3 ... South Bridge: Intel ICH9R
Number of Memory Slots: 4×240pin
Memory Standard: DDR3 1600/1333/1066/800
PCI Express 2.0 x16: 2 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (both @ x16 mode)
Model #: P5E3 PRO
Item #: N82E16813131600
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Your board shows:
Support 3TB+ HDD, intersil VRD12, ATI CrossFireX GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
LGA 1155 Intel P67 4×240pin DDR3 ... Number of Memory Slots: 4×240pin
Memory Standard: DDR3 2133/1866/1600/1333/1066
PCI Express 2.0 x16: 1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x16 (PCIEX16) *For optimum performance, if only one PCI Express graphics card is to be installed, be sure to install it in the PCIEX16 slot. 1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x4 (PCIEX4) *When the PCIEX1_2 or PCIEX1_3 slot is populated with an
Onboard Video Chipset: None
Model #: GA-P67A-UD3
Item #: N82E16813128460
So it will run at the slowest speed 4x
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Ok, so I have to run really good single cards is what you are saying I can understand that. So with that in mind I can run any single graphics card I want either ATI or Nvidia, but if i want to run two graphics cards at once I will have to use ATI and they will only run at 4x correct?|
Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades
You have a motherboard where one slot is 16x and the other is 4x so the SLI will be at the SLOWEST speed and basically of no benefit.
My personal choices for memory are always either CRucial or Gskill. Edit: see this one: High performance X48 DDR3 for LGA 775 w/ CrossFireX ASUS P5E3 PRO LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard ASUS P5E3 PRO LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard LGA 775 Intel X48 4×240pin DDR3 ... South Bridge: Intel ICH9R Number of Memory Slots: 4×240pin Memory Standard: DDR3 1600/1333/1066/800 PCI Express 2.0 x16: 2 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (both @ x16 mode) Model #: P5E3 PRO Item #: N82E16813131600 Return Policy: Standard Return Policy Your board shows: Support 3TB+ HDD, intersil VRD12, ATI CrossFireX GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard LGA 1155 Intel P67 4×240pin DDR3 ... Number of Memory Slots: 4×240pin Memory Standard: DDR3 2133/1866/1600/1333/1066 PCI Express 2.0 x16: 1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x16 (PCIEX16) *For optimum performance, if only one PCI Express graphics card is to be installed, be sure to install it in the PCIEX16 slot. 1 x PCI Express x16 slot, running at x4 (PCIEX4) *When the PCIEX1_2 or PCIEX1_3 slot is populated with an Onboard Video Chipset: None Model #: GA-P67A-UD3 Item #: N82E16813128460 So it will run at the slowest speed 4x |
Anyone know what the Nvidia equivlent to the ATI Radeon HD6950 is?
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Originally Posted by Daimyo_Shi
Ok, so I have to run really good single cards is what you are saying I can understand that. So with that in mind I can run any single graphics card I want either ATI or Nvidia, but if i want to run two graphics cards at once I will have to use ATI and they will only run at 4x correct?
Anyone know what the Nvidia equivlent to the ATI Radeon HD6950 is? |
No what he's trying to say is that, due to the way the board is constructed, you get lousy SLI/Crossfire performance. PERIOD. The more powerful your cards are, the worse the situation becomes. Quite simply, the cards are capable of pushing huge quantities of data back and forth and are being "choked" by the x4 PCI-slot because the slot itself isn't able to handle that level of throughput.
As to the nVidia equivalent. There's no direct equivalent. Close would be the GTX570 or the new GTX560 Ti. However, the 6950 may or may not outperform the 560 and the 570 is in a much higher price bracket.
Clicking on the linked image above will take you off the City of Heroes site. However, the guides will be linked back here.
I was just going to post that Hyperstrike - good timing 
If you want a dual video card setup realize in CoX it won't really do much.
Here is a pretty good review showing dual and single reviews for a lot of the popular cards:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4051/n...-in-the-gaps/4
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Which was why I said single card board as I only using a Single graphics card. does memory 1 GB mean anything, I noticed the 6950 was 2 Gb and most of the GTX560 Ti I seen is 1Gb
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
No what he's trying to say is that, due to the way the board is constructed, you get lousy SLI/Crossfire performance. PERIOD. The more powerful your cards are, the worse the situation becomes. Quite simply, the cards are capable of pushing huge quantities of data back and forth and are being "choked" by the x4 PCI-slot because the slot itself isn't able to handle that level of throughput.
As to the nVidia equivalent. There's no direct equivalent. Close would be the GTX570 or the new GTX560 Ti. However, the 6950 may or may not outperform the 560 and the 570 is in a much higher price bracket. |
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Look at the chart i linked to and you'll see it helps to have more memory. However saying that does going from 100 frames per second (fps) make a difference over 90? Not really but going from 30 fps to 35 - that's quite an improvement.
So look for reviews that show games you play and once you get over 60 fps your eyes can't tell and most people can't tell over 35 fps. Most animated movies are at 35 fps.
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The 6950 wasn't in the graft though. i have answe for the 570 but not the 560 ti which i didn't see in the graph, about 350 is my limit on a graphics card after all I am running 1680 x 1050 monitor.
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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades
Look at the chart i linked to and you'll see it helps to have more memory. However saying that does going from 100 frames per second (fps) make a difference over 90? Not really but going from 30 fps to 35 - that's quite an improvement.
So look for reviews that show games you play and once you get over 60 fps your eyes can't tell and most people can't tell over 35 fps. Most animated movies are at 35 fps. |
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1) Just degraded Crossfire. There isn't any SLi support at all. But a single card of either major brand is fine. And it's not that it runs both boards at x4, one runs at x16, the other at x4 so the 2nd card isn't as helpful.|
Originally Posted by Daimyo_Shi
1) can you explain what you mean here I not sure what you mean, it comes with Crossfire for ATI but i am no master of the two card tech yet.
2) I am not over clocking it for starters, the processer uses 1333 memory, the Vengance is a 1667 stick, yes the Mother board can handle it but I matched the Memory to the processer recomodation. For now this will exceed my needs greatly later I may ove clock it but i need a new thermal for the processers and in that case I can upgrade the memory then. |
2) The i7-2600K is the overclock variant of the i7-2600 but with an unlocked CPU frequency multiplier (makes OC easy), but costing only a few dollars more than the standard i7-2600. The CPU can handle faster memory, as long as you are using a motherboard with a P67, up to DDR3-2133 (and -1866/-1600/-1333/-1066 or PC3-17066/-14933/-12800/-10666/-8533, PC3 numbers may be rounded to nearest 100 or 10). As long as the memory voltage is 1.5V then you can use it. It'll buy you a few percent in actual real world performance.
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Originally Posted by Daimyo_Shi
Which was why I said single card board as I only using a Single graphics card. does memory 1 GB mean anything, I noticed the 6950 was 2 Gb and most of the GTX560 Ti I seen is 1Gb
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More memory is important for things like anti-aliasing, filtering, etc. Essentially what's happening is a combination of multiple-pass renderings of the screen, renders at higher resolutions that are then reduced to your resolution, and a bunch of other things going on. Each of these screen renders that you never actually see require space in the card's memory. More memory means that, if the GPU can keep up with the work load, there'll be enough memory there to support it.
That's part of the problem with the 560 right now. It seems to be an issue of the GPU is quite powerful, but is being held back by the limited amount of memory.
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For the moment this will do the board and processor can do more but it not need yet.
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
1) Just degraded Crossfire. There isn't any SLi support at all. But a single card of either major brand is fine. And it's not that it runs both boards at x4, one runs at x16, the other at x4 so the 2nd card isn't as helpful.
2) The i7-2600K is the overclock variant of the i7-2600 but with an unlocked CPU frequency multiplier (makes OC easy), but costing only a few dollars more than the standard i7-2600. The CPU can handle faster memory, as long as you are using a motherboard with a P67, up to DDR3-2133 (and -1866/-1600/-1333/-1066 or PC3-17066/-14933/-12800/-10666/-8533, PC3 numbers may be rounded to nearest 100 or 10). As long as the memory voltage is 1.5V then you can use it. It'll buy you a few percent in actual real world performance. |
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I was just pointing out options and pitfalls.
Wouldn't want you to buy a motherboard thinking it could take a 2nd video card and have it help significantly or think you could use two nVidia cards.
As for 2GB video cards over 1GB, it really matters now only at very high resolutions and multi-monitor setups. AMD just released the HD 6950 1GB card to counter the GTX 560 Ti at the $250-260 price point. The standard HD 6950 is 2GB and you can check the reviews at AnandTech or Hardware Canucks and see how little difference the extra 1GB makes.
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Oh my process is the i7 2600K and the movther board is a P-67. I like the price point of the N-Vidia 560 ti and the fact N-vidia always plays better than ATI/AMD with City of Heroes
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
I was just pointing out options and pitfalls.
Wouldn't want you to buy a motherboard thinking it could take a 2nd video card and have it help significantly or think you could use two nVidia cards. As for 2GB video cards over 1GB, it really matters now only at very high resolutions and multi-monitor setups. AMD just released the HD 6950 1GB card to counter the GTX 560 Ti at the $250-260 price point. The standard HD 6950 is 2GB and you can check the reviews at AnandTech or Hardware Canucks and see how little difference the extra 1GB makes. |
Doom/Batman in 2012
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The Resistance has boobs too, and better hair!
Well sounds like you know what to buy then. Have fun with the upgrade.
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Thanks for your ideas and suggests it had given me something to think about and enforces that some of what I bought was worth the money.
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Well sounds like you know what to buy then. Have fun with the upgrade.
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Doom/Batman in 2012
The Resistance has boobs too, and better hair!
The Resistance has boobs too, and better hair!
Help, I can't get the computer to boot!
I am trying to get my motherboard to work. I have everything hooked up from the front panel.
I push the power button It doesn't boot all the fans come on the light come one and a second later it off, then it tries again, it keep trying to cycle but can get anywhere.
The red wire of the power switch is connected to the + pin of the power switch, the black on the negative, the reset button is blue on the + the white on the negative, The Hard drive LED Orange is on the positive and white on the negative as shown on page 25. All of my Fans activate the Hard Drive white wire and reset white wire are next to each other. I tried flipping these pins but that has gained me nothing but the same problem happens. This is very frustrating.
Processor i7-2600k
motherboard: P67A-UD3
Case: Thermaltake v3 Black
Memory: 4x 4 GB Patriot DDR3 1333
VGA card: N-Vidia 9800 GT
The Case, motherboard, Processor are all brand new, there no Operating sytem yet on the Hard drives, as I not booted the machine to install windows seven. The Power supply was working in a computer not more than 7 days ago.
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That sounds like either the CPU Thermal Cutout shutting the system down or probably more likely the Power Good signal from the PSU signalling a fault and causing the system to shutdown.
Also what is the rating of the PSU - a 300W generic one isn't going to be good news.
Check your power connectors to the motherboard are properly seated and the right way round. Actually do this for all power and data cables - leave the case LEDS disconnected until everything is running.
Also turn your open case upside down and give it a bit of a shake - if you hear a metallic rattling you may have a screw loose and shorting something out.
If that doesn't fix things you need to eliminate as many sources of the problem as possible
Unplug everything except the motherboard and CPU fan and try again If it powers up and stays up power it down and plug in your graphics card and repeat, then try adding each drive one at a time, then anything else.
If it doesn't stay powered up with only motherboard and CPU connected the fault is in one of motherboard, CPU or PSU.
Actually reread the initial post - "Keeps trying to cycle" - disconnect the reset switch and try again.
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Some motherboards require not just the large connector be installed but also the 4 or 6 pin connector as well. This sounds like that may be the issue.
why couldn't this be easy, it is being stupid hard. 620V power supply 2x8 pin for cpu power is connected. I have to try the rest.
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Tell me more about the power good signal, what can cause it to fail?
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Originally Posted by Gaia
That sounds like either the CPU Thermal Cutout shutting the system down or probably more likely the Power Good signal from the PSU signalling a fault and causing the system to shutdown.
Also what is the rating of the PSU - a 300W generic one isn't going to be good news. Check your power connectors to the motherboard are properly seated and the right way round. Actually do this for all power and data cables - leave the case LEDS disconnected until everything is running. Also turn your open case upside down and give it a bit of a shake - if you hear a metallic rattling you may have a screw loose and shorting something out. If that doesn't fix things you need to eliminate as many sources of the problem as possible Unplug everything except the motherboard and CPU fan and try again If it powers up and stays up power it down and plug in your graphics card and repeat, then try adding each drive one at a time, then anything else. If it doesn't stay powered up with only motherboard and CPU connected the fault is in one of motherboard, CPU or PSU. Actually reread the initial post - "Keeps trying to cycle" - disconnect the reset switch and try again. |
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The Resistance has boobs too, and better hair!
The Resistance has boobs too, and better hair!
Forgive me, is ure some of these answers are scater across the forum but I am forced to ask her rather than trying togather up because the search command doesn't like me.
I had the mother board on my old comture blow its north bridge on me so it couldn't see my hard drive so New processer, motherboard and memory and new operating system.
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Product...31558(ME).aspx
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Product...31706(ME).aspx
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Product...31136(ME).aspx
so see above for the Tech infomartion, but I will have 16 Gb of ram, now i have to install Windows 7 I have no friend running Windows 7 so I have no idea what the pitfalls of installing city on this system might be. have there been any big issues with Windows 7 and city?
I will be running a 9800GTS 1 GB Nvidia card for now until I can get better grapics card in the spring. I have ATI Crossfire on the board but I am running just one card now. I like to avoid problems if I can because I want to be running all of Double Xp Weekend.
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