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As far as why it's not accepting sets it says it does, that's probably a bug.|
Originally Posted by Bandeeto
These questions might be better answered in the scrapper forum, but since the issues I'm encountering are on a tanker I'm asking about them here.
The "real numbers" descriptions of Kinetic Melee claim that Concentrated Strike is a PBAoE. It takes Sciroccos, and has an AoE radius listed. However, having now used it dozens of times in a crowd it *never* hits more than the individual I'm aiming at. Nor are there miss messages on additional targets in the combat chatter. Bugged power? Bugged description? Bugged set acceptance? The same in-game power description claims that Focused Burst is a ranged AoE with a listed radius, although it takes ST ranged sets. Again, it seems to hit one and only one individual. Bugged description, bugged power? Finally, Power Siphon's description claims that it takes Taunt IO sets, and in fact Mids also has it listed as accepting them. In game I am unable to slot any piece of a taunt IO set. Bugged description? Bugged power? I am finding the entire set quite underwhelming, in part because of the issues above, but also because of lackluster damage, high-feeling end usage, and mediocre secondary effects. Unlikely to ever play the set again, but I'd like to get the issues above clarified. Thanks! |
Focused Burst is correct in what it accepts, it IS a single target ranged attack.
Concentrated Strike is a ST attack, Burst is the PBAoE. probably a bug that it is accepting PBAoE sets. As far as I know it shouldn't be.
The "lackluster damage" you're seeing is because the set is balanced around having and using Power Siphon, much like Super Strength is balanced around Rage. If you aren't using Power Siphon when it is up, the damage probably will be poor. From all reports I've heard, Kinetiec Melee/Shield Defense is in the running for the highest DPS set possible for a scrapper, so it should be comparable as far as tanker sets go.
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Note that the in-game descriptions of ALL Tanker attacks include an AoE component (usually 5 targets) even if the attack is only single-target because that's the effect of Gauntlet "taunting" enemies around the one you attacked. Gauntlet is a PBAoE "taunt" at the point of the attack.|
Originally Posted by Bandeeto
The "real numbers" descriptions
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This is quite confusing if one is unfamiliar with the set and trying to use these descriptions to tell if a given power is an AoE.
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The Power Siphon stuff sounds like it has to be a bug as well, and was listed wrong. The power is not unlike build up, and wouldn't affect mobs directly, so having a taunt enhancement slotted wouldn't make sense.
But yes, note that some of the PBAOE stuff listed is for Gauntlet's effects, not it doing damage over an area.
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I've been told the radius of Focused Burst is because it has a taunt effect in addition to Gauntlet, but I can't remember the source of that information, so I'm not sure if its true or not.
My /KM's damage is fine when Power Siphon is up, the -dmg% component is nice, but I agree that it feels lackluster without it.
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Good catch, I'd completely forgotten about that aspect of tanker attacks. With that in mind it is probably a misinterpretation of the information at hand, rather than incorrect information.
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Originally Posted by Sailboat
Note that the in-game descriptions of ALL Tanker attacks include an AoE component (usually 5 targets) even if the attack is only single-target because that's the effect of Gauntlet "taunting" enemies around the one you attacked. Gauntlet is a PBAoE "taunt" at the point of the attack.
This is quite confusing if one is unfamiliar with the set and trying to use these descriptions to tell if a given power is an AoE. |
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I still remember the fantastically fun times when tanker attacks were bugged and actually were aoe's. Stacking 30-40 guys in one spot and taking them all out with KO Blow. Good times.
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Originally Posted by Sailboat
Note that the in-game descriptions of ALL Tanker attacks include an AoE component (usually 5 targets) even if the attack is only single-target because that's the effect of Gauntlet "taunting" enemies around the one you attacked. Gauntlet is a PBAoE "taunt" at the point of the attack.
This is quite confusing if one is unfamiliar with the set and trying to use these descriptions to tell if a given power is an AoE. |
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The gauntlet/taunt aura makes sense for the "AoE vs not" explanation. Unfortunate, but there you go, given that it effectively gives the set one AoE (not interested in RTorrent in the least on an Invul tank). It is also unfortunate that Siphon says it accepts taunt set IOs when it does not. Guess it's a text bug, and needs to be corrected in Mids as well.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
As far as why it's not accepting sets it says it does, that's probably a bug.
Focused Burst is correct in what it accepts, it IS a single target ranged attack. Concentrated Strike is a ST attack, Burst is the PBAoE. probably a bug that it is accepting PBAoE sets. As far as I know it shouldn't be. The "lackluster damage" you're seeing is because the set is balanced around having and using Power Siphon, much like Super Strength is balanced around Rage. If you aren't using Power Siphon when it is up, the damage probably will be poor. From all reports I've heard, Kinetiec Melee/Shield Defense is in the running for the highest DPS set possible for a scrapper, so it should be comparable as far as tanker sets go. |
I agree that damage becomes a bit more decent with Siphon up, although it still seems poor. Guess I need to crank up the recharge. However, I note that Rage is easily rendered perma without much work. Getting a two minute recharge down to 20 sec is basically impossible.
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If it's going to be a long term character and you IO it out, you will become much, MUCH less disappointed in KM due to power siphon. I went nuts thinking I should have gone /fire or /elec around level 40 or so, but then once I was IO'd out and got hasten I was glad I stayed KM. With the bonuses from the incarnate system and maybe 35% from IOs kinetic siphon's' damage bonus is only down for maybe 10 seconds, and you don't have to deal with the rage crash forcing you to stop attacking.
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Originally Posted by Bandeeto
The gauntlet/taunt aura makes sense for the "AoE vs not" explanation. Unfortunate, but there you go, given that it effectively gives the set one AoE (not interested in RTorrent in the least on an Invul tank). It is also unfortunate that Siphon says it accepts taunt set IOs when it does not. Guess it's a text bug, and needs to be corrected in Mids as well.
I agree that damage becomes a bit more decent with Siphon up, although it still seems poor. Guess I need to crank up the recharge. However, I note that Rage is easily rendered perma without much work. Getting a two minute recharge down to 20 sec is basically impossible. |
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These questions might be better answered in the scrapper forum, but since the issues I'm encountering are on a tanker I'm asking about them here.
The "real numbers" descriptions of Kinetic Melee claim that Concentrated Strike is a PBAoE. It takes Sciroccos, and has an AoE radius listed. However, having now used it dozens of times in a crowd it *never* hits more than the individual I'm aiming at. Nor are there miss messages on additional targets in the combat chatter. Bugged power? Bugged description? Bugged set acceptance?
The same in-game power description claims that Focused Burst is a ranged AoE with a listed radius, although it takes ST ranged sets. Again, it seems to hit one and only one individual. Bugged description, bugged power?
Finally, Power Siphon's description claims that it takes Taunt IO sets, and in fact Mids also has it listed as accepting them. In game I am unable to slot any piece of a taunt IO set. Bugged description? Bugged power?
I am finding the entire set quite underwhelming, in part because of the issues above, but also because of lackluster damage, high-feeling end usage, and mediocre secondary effects. Unlikely to ever play the set again, but I'd like to get the issues above clarified.
Thanks!
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Original: Quasar Lad - Fire/Kin troller. Latest: Asp Kicker - Grav/Poison troller.
Completed the "Full Alty Challenge" - level 50 in every archetype, and "Alty's Ultimate Power Challenge" - level 50 in every available powerset in the game.
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