"But, What will it Cost, Man?"


Adeon Hawkwood

 

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Originally Posted by eryq2 View Post
MY definition of farming is repeating ANYTHING for the sake of rewards. Door missions, ITFs, farm maps, WW, whatever. To play is one thing but when it's spammed over and over for rewards is farming, imo. Single target toons are no different. I can farm a BM set to 0x8 with my Katana/Regen.
I'm not farming for rewards. I'm badging with a side of playing a character that I'm digging having made more kick-butt than before. This is a hero gone rogue for the sake of badges. I need Mayhem mission arsons for the badge. If I wanted to I could farm a single Mayhem instance for the arson badge, but kicking the butts of lots of bad guys on a high difficulty setting is a hell of a lot more fun to me than loading up a lowbie and farming their Mayhem for side missions. So I'm running paper missions and then running a Mayhem. Before this I was running tip missions to go from Villain to Rogue and I'll soon need to go from Rogue to Hero.

That's the whole point you're missing. I'm just playing the game, and taking what comes my way, and it's plenty good to make billions of inf. You seem so embedded in the farming mindset that you can imagine that anyone would play on high difficulty settings or run repetitive combat for any other reason than high rewards. I do it because I think it's fun, and if I didn't I probably would have stopped playing this game three years ago.

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He chose to call people dumb or insist that they don't know any better because he can make money by "farming" door missions. DUH. What i said, was it may not be more efficient. By the time you take in consideration of travel times, his deaths and selling, it MAY NOT be "dumb" to select 1 map and reset it.
It would be dumb to do what I'm doing if I wanted to farm. I don't. I want to kick stuff's butts. Shockingly, I've shown that kicking stuff's butt in a way that a farmer would scoff at [The defense enters the player eryq2 as exhibit "A"!] is still enough to earn a staggering amount of inf in a couple of months.

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I may be "dumb" for farming but it's nowhere near inefficient when in 5 runs over the weekend outside of AE i made 900mil inf. in 2 drops. Not counting kills and deleted tons of common recipes for 100k each and all salvage other than rares.
What does that have to do with the point? Why are you bringing up what you can do with farming when your whole position is about what you can't do without farming? What you can do in a farm is completely irrelevant to that except to set a baseline for what time frame you think is reasonable for earning, say, 20B inf. All that matters is what someone not running something like a BM farm can achieve. Stop talking about what you can do in a farm - it has no bearing on the discussion.

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I don't have to be a liar because i don't agree with someone else.
There is a difference in being a liar and being wrong. You made a claim, and I believe that claim has been thoroughly disproven unless you want to contest the 20B inf target number as adequate. That doesn't mean you were trying to deceive anyone, but it might mean, for example, that your claim was not backed up by suitable facts. I tried to provide those facts, and I believe they support my position and not yours.

Your response to that, so far, has been to try and redefine my activities as being the same as yours. Hopefully clearly, I don't think is remotely reasonable to redefine what I'm doing that way, and moreover, I think you have repeatedly undercut that position by pointing out how inefficient I am being about my alleged "farming door maps".


Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA

 

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Originally Posted by eryq2 View Post
I got ya. Personally, i can't see playing with my wife from level 1 to 50 and in that journey, being able to purple our toons out once we hit 50. IF that's what we choose to do just by "playing the game". With todays prices, if one isn't big into marketeering or farming, i just can't see affording the "best IO's". I may be wrong but i don't know and if someone hasn't done that then all it is, is speculation.
I don't disagree. I think, though, that your expectation to be able to do that (purple your characters when they hit 50) is not at all what the devs have in mind. I believe that there is lots of evidence that they expect purples to be something players pursue once they are 50, or at least very near to 50. What's that evidence? They only drop from level 47+ critters. Unique of all IOs, they can only be slotted at exactly level 50. Finally, they are very rare in the sense that they take a long time on average to produce. (Ignore randomness for a moment - even using Alignment Merits would take 40-50 days to produce one purple.)

So, yes, if you want to land at 50 and then immediately purple out a character, them maybe you need to farm or marketeer. I just don't think that's something the Devs are likely to review any time soon, because I think that, essentially, that's working as intended.


Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA

 

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Originally Posted by eryq2 View Post
I got ya. Personally, i can't see playing with my wife from level 1 to 50 and in that journey, being able to purple our toons out once we hit 50.
I'm pretty sure that is very much the intent of the system.

In The Other Game, the intent is not that, once you make 80, you have enough resources to immediately acquire all the best top-tier raid gear.

The intent is that, when you make 50, you will be able to have all level-appropriate SOs, and anything past that is a bonus. You are very definitely not intended to be able to fully purple your first character the moment you make 50, unless you spend a lot of time and effort acquiring wealth through other means.