Scraper: Dual blades/regeneration


Amy_Amp

 

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Ok i need help i feel like im not using him to his full potential even tho hes powerful please rate him to and give me any advice u got and dont say im stupid plz

HERES MY ISSUES
how do i use the vital combo
and
how do i do sweep combo i mean like i feel like im using the attacks indiviually not together.

AND MY BUILD TO RATE

My build
OFFENSE
Power Slice
Ablating Strike
Typhoon's Edge
Blinding Feint
Vengeful Slice
Sweeping Strike
One Thousand Cuts

DEFENSE
Fast Healing
Reconstruction
Quick Recovery
Dull Pain
Integration
Resilience
Instant Healing
Moment of Glory

POOL POWERS
Hasten
Super Speed

Kick
Tough

Assault
Tactics

PATRON POWERS
Dark Blast
Moonbeam
Summon Widow

OH ALSO im hosting a ritki raid saturday est at 8:00pm


 

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Umm on its own that's pretty useless since we can't see slotting choices, you're going to need to post a mids.

Also.. The game puts an orange circle around the next part of a combo O_O Shouldn't be too hard to figure it out from there.


 

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Attack Vitals is Ablating Strike-Vengeful Slice-Sweeping Strike.

Sweep is 1kCuts-Power Slice-Typhoon's Edge.

Note: If one of your attacks misses, it breaks the combo. All 3 must hit.

Looks like you have a lack of any defense at all. Next to recharge, defense is what Regen wants. Weave, and possibly Maneuvers will help with that. As far as your Patron Pool goes, you seem to have skipped the power that Regens want that pool for: Shadow Meld.


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OHHH i thx diint know i need the 3 attacks i neglected to say hes un enhanced and thx for the top on defense ima try that right now U were a huge help


 

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hope every 1 comes for the raid


 

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Originally Posted by fireiceking View Post
OHHH i thx diint know i need the 3 attacks i neglected to say hes un enhanced and thx for the top on defense ima try that right now U were a huge help
Okay -- I've just got to ask -- "un enhanced"? By that do you mean "he hasn't got any really cool IO sets" or do you mean "his powers have nothing but empty slots"? I'm reading it the second way, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.

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Originally Posted by fireiceking View Post
Ok i need help i feel like im not using him to his full potential even tho hes powerful please rate him to and give me any advice u got and dont say im stupid plz
If he's got NO enhancements, he's NOT being used to his full potential, which will get about twice as good when you drop some Single Origin enhancements in there. In the meantime, he's powerful like a bulldozer with an empty fuel tank is "powerful." Could be, hopefully will be, but really isn't that powerful currently.

As far as more detailed build information goes, as SonicArcher22 said, you'll have to either download Mid's Hero Planner and post a build, or type out a reasonable facsimile.

Examples of Mid's builds are all over the scrapper (and other archetype) forums and look something like:

Name Goes Here: Level 50 Mutation Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dual Blades
Secondary Power Set: Regeneration
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Power Slice -- _________(A), ______(3), ______(5), __________(15),________(23)
Level 1: Fast Healing -- ________(A), _______(3), _________ (7), ________(9)
Level 2: Ablating Strike -- _______(A), ________(5), ________(7), ___________(15)
Level 4: Reconstruction --
etc
etc
etc
etc
etc.

Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)

That way people can take a better look at what you've got slotted in each power, and make a MUCH better assessment of what can be tweaked.


"But it wasn't anything some purples and oranges and lots of screaming in fear couldn't handle." -- Werner

30 level 50's: 12 scrappers, 7 other random melee types, 11 blaster/blapper/support squishies, two accounts, and a TON of altitis since 4/28/04

 

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Db/regen is an odd combo to begin with, the requirement to activate regen powers breaks combos and DPS in DB.

Still, if you can pull it off it'd be a.... unique toon.


 

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"How do I use combos?"
"not using him to his full potential even tho hes powerful"
"Unenhanced"
"Hosting a raid"

Um....


 

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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp View Post
"How do I use combos?"
"not using him to his full potential even tho hes powerful"
"Unenhanced"
"Hosting a raid"

Um....
This is kind of what I was thinking.


 

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Originally Posted by Mr_Fallstar View Post
Db/regen is an odd combo to begin with, the requirement to activate regen powers breaks combos and DPS in DB.
Activating regen powers does not break DB combos. The combos stay up for about 3sec so you can hit Dull Pain between attacks and still get your combo off. It does hurt your DPS but that is just like any other set that as redraw.


"All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time"- Chesty Puller US Marine Corps

 

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I feel duty-bound to point out that the links in the OP are poorly chosen, and have been known to have all sorts of malware-loaded ads and other such nonsense.

paragonwiki.com is a much better maintained and community-oriented source.


Comrade Smersh, KGB Special Section 8 50 Inv/Fire, Fire/Rad, BS/WP, SD/SS, AR/EM
Other 50s: Plant/Thorn, Bots/Traps, DB/SR, MA/Regen, Rad/Dark - All on Virtue.

-Don't just rebel, build a better world, comrade!

 

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Ok heres what i got so far just started enhaning like 2 days ago tho

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.81
http://www.cohplanner.com/

Click this DataLink to open the build!

SCRAPO: Level 50 Natural Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dual Blades
Secondary Power Set: Regeneration
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Power Slice -- Empty(A), Empty(3), Empty(3), Empty(5), Empty(5), Empty(7)
Level 1: Fast Healing -- Empty(A), Empty(7), Empty(9), Empty(9), Empty(11)
Level 2: Reconstruction -- Empty(A), Empty(11)
Level 4: Ablating Strike -- Empty(A), Empty(13), Empty(13), Empty(15), Empty(15)
Level 6: Quick Recovery -- Empty(A), Empty(48), Empty(48), Empty(50), Empty(50)
Level 8: Hasten -- Empty(A)
Level 10: Maneuvers -- Empty(A), Empty(21), Empty(23), Empty(23), Empty(46), Empty(48)
Level 12: Assault -- Empty(A)
Level 14: Kick -- Empty(A)
Level 16: Tough -- TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx:50(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg:50(17), TtmC'tng-EndRdx/Rchg:50(17), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:50(19), TtmC'tng-ResDam:50(19), TtmC'tng-EndRdx:50(21)
Level 18: Typhoon's Edge -- Empty(A)
Level 20: Dull Pain -- Empty(A), Empty(50)
Level 22: Blinding Feint -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Vengeful Slice -- Empty(A), Empty(25), Empty(25), Empty(31), Empty(31)
Level 26: Sweeping Strike -- Empty(A), Empty(27), Empty(27), Empty(29), Empty(29), Empty(31)
Level 28: Integration -- Empty(A)
Level 30: Resilience -- Empty(A), Empty(34), Empty(37), Empty(40), Empty(43)
Level 32: Instant Healing -- Empty(A), Empty(33), Empty(33), Empty(33), Empty(34), Empty(34)
Level 35: One Thousand Cuts -- Empty(A), Empty(36), Empty(36), Empty(36), Empty(37), Empty(37)
Level 38: Moment of Glory -- Empty(A), Empty(39), Empty(39), Empty(39), Empty(40), Empty(40)
Level 41: Dark Blast -- Dev'n-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Dev'n-Dmg/EndRdx:50(42), Dev'n-Dmg/Rchg:50(42), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(42), Dev'n-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(43), Dev'n-Hold%:50(43)
Level 44: Moonbeam -- ExtrmM-Acc/Dmg:50(A), ExtrmM-Dmg/EndRdx:50(45), ExtrmM-Dmg/ActRdx/Rchg:50(45), ExtrmM-Acc/ActRdx/Rng:50(45), ExtrmM-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(46), ExtrmM-Acc/Rng/Rchg:50(46)
Level 47: Summon Widow -- Empty(A)
Level 49: Super Speed -- Empty(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 4: Ninja Run



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Originally Posted by fireiceking View Post
Ok heres what i got so far just started enhaning like 2 days ago tho
I don't know where to begin...So... how'd that ship raid go?


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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze View Post
I hate to be the bringer of bad news... but Willpower sucks!!! you're better off rolling a regen
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=260718
^Professional Katana/regen build thread

 

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0_0!

wow. =) but it's ok, seems your new, so you don't know the ins and outs to a good build.

Here are a few pointers. As a regen, you want your heals to recharge fast, and heal for as much as they can. Many of your powers that you are devoting vast amounts of slots, only need one or two extra slots to be effective.

As for dual blades, I have a Dual Blades/Energy Aura brute that I absolutely love, however I find myself only using attack vitals, and maybe 1k cuts as some extra AoE. The Sweep combo just takes to long for my tastes. So, with that in mind, here is what I propose.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.81
http://www.cohplanner.com/

Click this DataLink to open the build!

SCRAPO: Level 50 Natural Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dual Blades
Secondary Power Set: Regeneration
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Concealment
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Nimble Slash -- F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg(A), F'dSmite-Dmg/EndRdx(3), F'dSmite-Dmg/Rchg(3), F'dSmite-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(5), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(5), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7)
Level 1: Fast Healing -- Heal-I(A), Heal-I(39), Heal-I(39)
Level 2: Ablating Strike -- F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg(7), F'dSmite-Dmg/EndRdx(9), F'dSmite-Dmg/Rchg(9), F'dSmite-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(11)
Level 4: Quick Recovery -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(37), P'Shift-EndMod(37)
Level 6: Reconstruction -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-Rchg(17), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(19), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(19), Dct'dW-Heal(21)
Level 8: Blinding Feint -- F'dSmite-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(A), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg(13), F'dSmite-Dmg/EndRdx(13), F'dSmite-Dmg/Rchg(15), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17)
Level 10: Dull Pain -- Dct'dW-Heal(A), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(40), Dct'dW-Rchg(40), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(40), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Empty(A)
Level 16: Integration -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(21), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(34), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(36), Dct'dW-Heal(37)
Level 18: Vengeful Slice -- F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg(27), F'dSmite-Dmg/EndRdx(27), F'dSmite-Dmg/Rchg(29), F'dSmite-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(29), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31)
Level 20: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 22: Tough -- TtmC'tng-ResDam(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(23), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(23)
Level 24: Weave -- RedFtn-Def(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(25), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(25)
Level 26: Sweeping Strike -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(43), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(43), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(43), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(45), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 28: Instant Healing -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 30: Maneuvers -- RedFtn-Def(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(31), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(31)
Level 32: One Thousand Cuts -- M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(33), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(33), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(33), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(34), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34)
Level 35: Tactics -- GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(36), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(36)
Level 38: Moment of Glory -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 41: Dark Blast -- Ruin-Acc/Dmg(A), Ruin-Dmg/EndRdx(46), Ruin-Dmg/Rchg(48), Ruin-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 44: Shadow Meld -- RedFtn-Def(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(45), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(46), RechRdx-I(46)
Level 47: Stealth -- RedFtn-Def(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(48), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48), RedFtn-EndRdx(50)
Level 49: Vengeance -- AdjTgt-Rchg(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A), Empty(39)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 4: Ninja Run



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The most important thing is TO GET SOME ENHANCEMENTS in your slots. Don't worry about not having the best enhancements, just get something in them. The build above has some fairly cheap sets in them. It would be a good start, help you realize for yourself what your weaknesses are, while not face-planting too often.



Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.

 

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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp View Post
"How do I use combos?"
"not using him to his full potential even tho hes powerful"
"Unenhanced"
"Hosting a raid"

Um....
I'm still at "Scraper."


 

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Originally Posted by Kyria_Shirako View Post
I'm still at "Scraper."
At least the "S" was used.


 

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Originally Posted by Kyria_Shirako View Post
I'm still at "Scraper."
But the character's name is "SCRAPO" -- do you see a trend?

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Originally Posted by _Pine_ View Post
Here are a few pointers. As a regen, you want your heals to recharge fast, and heal for as much as they can. Many of your powers that you are devoting vast amounts of slots, only need one or two extra slots to be effective. <snip>

The most important thing is TO GET SOME ENHANCEMENTS in your slots. Don't worry about not having the best enhancements, just get something in them. The build above has some fairly cheap sets in them. It would be a good start, help you realize for yourself what your weaknesses are, while not face-planting too often.
I'll mostly agree with what Pine says -- I still haven't sat down to IO my kat/regen scrapper from Issue 1, but his build looks like a good starting point. Above all, yes, get SOMETHING in those slots. Doesn't have to be "set IO's" -- shop at WW's for some GENERIC level 40 or level 45 IO's, like "accuracy" or "damage." A lot of the time people working on the Field Crafter badge are selling those for less than the cost of SO's.

Failing that, spend the 5 or 6 million and just BUY SOME SO's! You'll see a 100% improvement in things like damage (okay, 94.93% after ED) but that will still be HUGE, as will a 33% accuracy increase, and so on.

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Originally Posted by _Pine_ View Post
As for dual blades, I have a Dual Blades/Energy Aura brute that I absolutely love, however I find myself only using attack vitals, and maybe 1k cuts as some extra AoE. The Sweep combo just takes to long for my tastes.
Sweep may take too long for your tastes, but I hate seeing other people simply dismiss it because the DPS isn't good enough, and then everyone reading the thread goes "yeah, man, Sweep is awful."

Get ready, everybody -- scrapper forum heresy!!!

From reading these forums and shaking my head a lot, I think that a good percentage of people have put DPS over Damage Per Minute, or Damage Per Five Minutes -- and let's not forget that DpFM drops when you faceplant! Now, if you're going to run around with your difficulty slider at 0/x8 for the rest of your character's career, DPS may be the most important thing in your world, but if you want to crank it up to 11....

Sweep is a nice form of mitigation. Those level 54 Rikti or whatever have to stop pounding on you and concentrate on standing up for a few seconds every time you knock them helmet over teakettle, which increases YOUR survivability. My DB/WP's regen rate isn't as high as that of a regen scrapper, but I can see that little green bar start climbing back up when I knock down the boss with Attack Vitals, then knock down him along with any of his buddies in the cone of 1000 Cuts, and THEN knock him down a third time, along with even more of his buddies, with Sweep.

As long as I keep landing those two combinations, that boss spends about half of each fight standing back up, which means he's not attacking me! And those short breaks when they're all standing up again MIGHT be a good time for a regen scrapper to fire off some sort of heal, but I'm merely guessing on that.

Sweep's not entirely about DPS. It's about being able to stand in the middle of the brawl longer and CONTINUE TO DISH OUT DPS when that other scrapper -- who bragged about "I've got so many purples and so much recharge that I'm only using Attack Vitals" -- just faceplanted.


"But it wasn't anything some purples and oranges and lots of screaming in fear couldn't handle." -- Werner

30 level 50's: 12 scrappers, 7 other random melee types, 11 blaster/blapper/support squishies, two accounts, and a TON of altitis since 4/28/04

 

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My DB/Regen is presently my favorite scrapper.


I would go villian, get shadowmeld and go from there. Honestly, it may actually be better than all my regens abilities combined.

I run the Vitals, and Sweep combo's. I just alternate them. Its a nice set up for general PvE, as you can target the boss, and the minions die from the AOE's. Normal bosses go down fast enough, but dont expect to wow anyone with your AV prowess. It can certainly be done, but I think it kinda cripples the build for general play.

If you acquire Shadow Meld, you can do just fine with it, MOG, DP and Reconstruction. I actually find IH to be lackluster now, and rarely use it.

I am at work, and dont have mids available. But a nice cheap build is to just pick up full deaths sets for your single target attacks, Scirroco's for the PBAOE attacks. This will soft cap you to Melee when under Shadowmeld, and is a cheaper and I think more fun IO set than trying for S/L.

It is very clicky though. None of the Regen clicks will in theory break your chains, but in practice, server issues do cause you to miss the chain on occasion. Shadowmeld will break the chain, so use it before, or between chains.

In your initial build, you overslotted your ranged attacks at the expense of your melee attacks. I can understand wanting some range, but to be honest, DB/Regen is a poor choice for mixing them in, with the redraw, and click nature of Regen.

Good luck.

Go forth, kill Carnies, blades cuts through them like butter, they are easily my favorite high lvl mob to fight.


 

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In his defense, with Dual Blades, could he not in fact be a scraper? All the scraping I do is with a bladed object.

From my old I13 experiences, DB works better with WP because WP is more toggle-oriented like Regen was when I started in I2...

La Noche Blanca


 

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Just a reply to Eldorado, I use the sweep combo right now, or rather, I have Typhoon's Edge atm. However, most of the time, I find myself lining up cones for Atack Vitals, cause it gives me great jollies seeing the Vital Strike popping up over the mob's heads. So usually after hitting Attack Vitals, I pop 1k Cuts, and see even more pretty orange numbers. By the time 1k cuts stops animating, I can do another attack vitals. So I think I am going to drop Typhoon's Edge so I can use the Empower Combo.



Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.

 

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Originally Posted by _Pine_ View Post
So usually after hitting Attack Vitals, I pop 1k Cuts, and see even more pretty orange numbers. By the time 1k cuts stops animating, I can do another attack vitals. So I think I am going to drop Typhoon's Edge so I can use the Empower Combo.
If you can run Attack Vitals-1kCuts-Attack Vitals,the Empower combos is going to break that.

Attack Vitals is Ablating Strike-Vengeful Slice-Sweeping Strike, and Empower is Nimble Slash-Ablating Strike-Blinding Feint.

Now, there is no way in hell you have Ablating strike recharging fast enough to put the Empower combo between that, since it is used in both combos. You'd need to have Ablating Strike recharging within the animation time of Blinding Feint to pull it off, and I don't believe it's possible.

Personally, I would just start the whole thing with Blinding Feint and be done with it. Blinding Feint-Attack Vitals-1kCuts doesn't need much recharge at all, and it should give you some really good ST and AoE in the same chain.


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See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

 

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However, most of the time, I find myself lining up cones for Atack Vitals, cause it gives me great jollies seeing the Vital Strike popping up over the mob's heads. So usually after hitting Attack Vitals, I pop 1k Cuts, and see even more pretty orange numbers. By the time 1k cuts stops animating, I can do another attack vitals. So I think I am going to drop Typhoon's Edge so I can use the Empower Combo.
I'm probably a little weird for the scrapper forums -- I still try do it all with my DB/WP, except the extreme pylon soloing. (I've mostly got what WAS going to be my dual build for that, but now that's on hold pending i19 soon™.) And by "do it all", I sometimes like to exemp down and when I do, I LIKE having all eight of my DB attacks. I also like being able to tank with a scrapper and have Confront on that toon as well as a few others, for those times I just can't quite get there fast enough to stab it in the face.

Having all eight of those attacks gives me more blades on the Swiss Army Knife that is a dual blade scrapper. I'll often do the same Attack Vitals, 1000 Cuts, repeat mini-chain, although I'll lead the whole thing off with Blinding Feint. Uh oh. Taking too much damage? Okay, THIS time I'll Blinding Feint, Attack Vitals, full-out Sweep combo for the extra mitigation and then go back to the shorter version.

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If you can run Attack Vitals-1kCuts-Attack Vitals,the Empower combos is going to break that.

Attack Vitals is Ablating Strike-Vengeful Slice-Sweeping Strike, and Empower is Nimble Slash-Ablating Strike-Blinding Feint.

Now, there is no way in hell you have Ablating strike recharging fast enough to put the Empower combo between that, since it is used in both combos. You'd need to have Ablating Strike recharging within the animation time of Blinding Feint to pull it off, and I don't believe it's possible.

Personally, I would just start the whole thing with Blinding Feint and be done with it. Blinding Feint-Attack Vitals-1kCuts doesn't need much recharge at all, and it should give you some really good ST and AoE in the same chain.
Empower?! Well...uh. "What ClawsandEffect said", "what he said again about the recharge", and "yeah, exactly" on the last part. That's what I do a lot of the time too, as mentioned above.

I really can't recall seeing too many DB scrappers singing the praises of Empower; I DO see plenty of them saying "I respecced out of the first two combos because who uses them?" But hey -- if something's working for you, go with it!


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30 level 50's: 12 scrappers, 7 other random melee types, 11 blaster/blapper/support squishies, two accounts, and a TON of altitis since 4/28/04