Del Toro is awesome, so my hopes just went up... still, it's gonna be hard to make Hulk look right on a TV show's budget.
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Originally Posted by Zikar
Del Toro is awesome, so my hopes just went up... still, it's gonna be hard to make Hulk look right on a TV show's budget.
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* For two minutes, maximum.
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I just hope they don't go the "Smallville" (don't show it till you absolutely have to) route.
You get this quick shot of his eyes turning neon-green *CUT TO COMMERCIAL!*
Then, back from commercial you see this crater of wreckage and he wakes up in stretched-out, ripped up clothes in the middle of BFE someplace.
That and I'm not sure how they're going to portray Banner. If they actually try to do the character justice, it could actually turn people off the show. Banner's an emotional wreck of a person and a complete freak on a leash, even before becoming the Hulk. It's really hard to make stuff like that attractive to viewers without glossing over a whole HELL of a lot of it.
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I agree with this. I don't think Luke Cage, as cool as he can be, is a big enough draw for most of the TV viewers. But I would totally bring him and Danny in to hunt down the Hulk for an episode or two. Then they could read audience reaction and the possibilty for a spin off could form from there.
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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
Outside of comic book geeks, Luke doesn't have enough draw to land on one of the major networks and thus having a chance of being good.
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I would rather see a well-done animated series than a cheesy live-action series. And given the budgetary/technical constraints involved in producing live television, I expect cheesiness.
An animated series that aims for a Batman:TAS or Superman:TAS level of quality, however, would be very welcome. I think it would be easier to sustain than a live-action version.
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Yeah, but outside of sitcoms there aren't any prime-time animated shows, which is what I assume is what they are going for.
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Originally Posted by Nova Knight
I would rather see a well-done animated series than a cheesy live-action series. And given the budgetary/technical constraints involved in producing live television, I expect cheesiness.
An animated series that aims for a Batman:TAS or Superman:TAS level of quality, however, would be very welcome. I think it would be easier to sustain than a live-action version. |
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You're right. I forgot that the show was intended to fill a chunk of network prime-time real estate. Being a pessimist, I guess I'll cling to my expectations of cheesiness.
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Originally Posted by Zikar
Yeah, but outside of sitcoms there aren't any prime-time animated shows, which is what I assume is what they are going for.
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I tend to blame what I call the "Disney syndrome" for why you don't really see serious/dramatic primetime animated shows on American TV. Most Americans have been conditioned over the years into believing that anything which is "animated" has to be limited to things that are either humorous or geared towards young children. The idea of having an animated TV show with serious storylines that would appeal mainly to adults (like various examples of Japanese anime) is a concept that would be a very tough sell to Hollywood suits.|
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While it would be cool I have hard time seeing how a primetime animated Hulk show would ever happen here.
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I agree. Despite the proven marketability of adult-oriented animation on DVD, there still seems to be mental block among the major networks. I'd expect one of the cable networks (i.e. Cartoon Network or Syfy) to be more receptive to the idea.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
I tend to blame what I call the "Disney syndrome" for why you don't really see serious/dramatic primetime animated shows on American TV. Most Americans have been conditioned over the years into believing that anything which is "animated" has to be limited to things that are either humorous or geared towards young children. The idea of having an animated TV show with serious storylines that would appeal mainly to adults (like various examples of Japanese anime) is a concept that would be a very tough sell to Hollywood suits.
While it would be cool I have hard time seeing how a primetime animated Hulk show would ever happen here. |
Well, this could be fun! 
Without Bill Bixby, I will have my doubts, of course. 
I hope they can manage to overcome the need to cheese enough to get someone with a demeanor more like Bixby than what you typically see on a new show.
And... I hope they use the Lonely Man theme...
Although, I'm not really going to hold it to the old show.
I'm interested to see what they decide to do with it.
It has potential in a number of different ways.
I just find the sad, tortured road of Banner the most interesting aspect.
Based on del Toro's Pan's Labyrinth and the first Hellboy movie... this could be very interesting indeed.
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Yeah? I'm sure there'll be no problems in getting Bixby back onboard for a new Hulk series.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Without Bill Bixby, I will have my doubts, of course.
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Yeah? I'm sure there'll be no problems in getting Bixby back onboard for a new Hulk series.
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And, pardon me, but...
You... don't have something on your nose... Just... yes, right there.
Anyway... Go on.
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Cheese Addiction: Hollywood's Secret Shame.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
I hope they can manage to overcome the need to cheese enough to get someone with a demeanor more like Bixby than what you typically see on a new show.
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If it's good, it doesn't matter how much name recognition Luke Cage has. Blade had zero and became a big hit, spawning two sequels. Heroes was a completely new property and knocked it out of the park in the beginning.
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Originally Posted by PowerStream
I agree with this. I don't think Luke Cage, as cool as he can be, is a big enough draw for most of the TV viewers. But I would totally bring him and Danny in to hunt down the Hulk for an episode or two. Then they could read audience reaction and the possibilty for a spin off could form from there.
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Originally Posted by Mothers_Love
I was saying in the WW thread its about time they brought The Incredible Hulk and some of the other properties back to TV, especially the ones that are being flogged to death and / or rebooted constantly theatrically.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Well, this could be fun!
Without Bill Bixby, I will have my doubts, of course. I hope they can manage to overcome the need to cheese enough to get someone with a demeanor more like Bixby than what you typically see on a new show. And... I hope they use the Lonely Man theme... Although, I'm not really going to hold it to the old show. I'm interested to see what they decide to do with it. It has potential in a number of different ways. I just find the sad, tortured road of Banner the most interesting aspect. Based on del Toro's Pan's Labyrinth and the first Hellboy movie... this could be very interesting indeed. |
I was never much of a fan of the Hulk, but if people like Gullermo del Toro and David Eick are going to be involved I figure the new show has a chance to be good.
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Both good points. I think Heroes had the luxury of being a modern twist on the super hero theme that wasn't Superman. Blade is still a vampire/vampire hunter movie at it's core and for the most part those are well received. |
Originally Posted by Ironik
If it's good, it doesn't matter how much name recognition Luke Cage has. Blade had zero and became a big hit, spawning two sequels. Heroes was a completely new property and knocked it out of the park in the beginning.
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I like Luke Cage and would love for him to have a show or even the whole Heros for Hire thing. I just think it's going to be a tough sell to the Hollywood execs. But I think they could take it in a very cool direction with the right director and cast.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
It's interesting to think people would be worried about how a new Hulk series would work without Bixby the same way some people are worried that a new Wonder Woman series wouldn't work without Linda Carter.
I was never much of a fan of the Hulk, but if people like Gullermo del Toro and David Eick are going to be involved I figure the new show has a chance to be good. |
As for Wonder Woman, while I love Lynda Carter, I wouldn't so much feel worried about a new Wonder Woman not being her, but rather that is a very tough role to cast for (in my opinion).
I just think that, along with charisma, the actual physical appearance and structure needs to be something not entirely normal.
When people were clamoring for it, I could certainly see the validity of wanting Lucy Lawless in the role.
The problem is, not many people (let alone women) have that sort of size, stature, charisma and looks.
Sure, they can find the pretty face and tight body, but some people envision Wonder Woman a little bigger, athletic and muscular than your (above) average bombshell.
Anyways... Sorry for the derail there, hehe...
To be honest, the Bixby thing wasn't really so much about demands or expectations on the new show.
I just can't talk about Hulk on television without showing some love and respect for the guy for what he did in the franchise and such.
I don't know... Something about him just really reached some subconscious level for me as a child and it remains. Then I look back and watch some stuff and see how involved he was in directing it later on. And learn about some of things about him in his personal life.
He just is Banner for me, hehe.
I know it is just my experiences as a child and all that cement that in, but I'm just speaking for myself, after all.
Still, I do think there is merit to taking his contributions into account when preparing for anything to do with Banner.
Take Lee and Kirby's work (obviously), take Bixby's influence, probably some other comic moments that I am not naming here... and then go whichever way you (as the artists/creators) feel is right.
Just my take on it.
And I'm just spouting out stuff for fun here (In case it seems I'm taking this too seriously).
I really enjoy craftsmanship. Guillermo del Toro seems to be one and it is also what I appreciated most about Bixby.
/ends babbling
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Are you serious with the Ang Lee? That had to be one of the worst super hero movies ever. Norton's was way better than that Ang Lee garbage.
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Originally Posted by BlackArachnia
I doubt it will be any good. I never liked the original TV series myself, and they can't make a Hulk in the theatre with mass appeal. Personally I liked the Ang Lee Hulk better than Norton's take on David Banner. That rift exists in the fan base here as well.
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Originally Posted by BlackArachnia
I doubt it will be any good. I never liked the original TV series myself, and they can't make a Hulk in the theatre with mass appeal. Personally I liked the Ang Lee Hulk better than Norton's take on David Banner. That rift exists in the fan base here as well.
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Originally Posted by ShadowSkill
Are you serious with the Ang Lee? That had to be one of the worst super hero movies ever. Norton's was way better than that Ang Lee garbage.
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And no... I don't think there's anything particularly terrible about what ShadowSkill's words posted... I just felt like commenting on it. I see so much damned rude behavior in person and on forums and I figured I'd give myself a bit of enjoyment in kindly pointing out the differences and how maybe some people could learn to approach things better. For the betterment of all.
Again, though, it's not a big deal at all. The little things add up though. So, why not try and do our best to control what we can, eh?
EDIT: I meant to say that I apologize if it seems like I am unjustly calling you out, ShadowSkill and/or making you out to be something worse than you are. I don't know you and have no knowledge or belief that you're a rude person or anything.
I just saw those two posts together, in yours, and felt the desire to analyze it.
So, no personal affront intended.
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