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Originally Posted by Apophasis
Have the Devs/Mods mentioned any plans for this?
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None that I've heard about but it's such an easy direct port (compared to what had to be done to modify some other sets) that I'd expect to see it eventually.
It's probably next on the list of things defenders are going to get proliferated. There hasn't been any word about when the next set of proliferation is going to be though.
They will be due for another round in i20 which is early next year.
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I'm curious. What makes you figure that Power Proliferations are due then? Is there a cycle they follow?
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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
They will be due for another round in i20 which is early next year.
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The first proliferation was issue 12, and the second was issue 16. It is reasonable to expect the next would be at issue 20, as if they were every 4 issues.|
Originally Posted by Apophasis
I'm curious. What makes you figure that Power Proliferations are due then? Is there a cycle they follow?
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BaB, I believe it was, said before issue 12 that he wanted to see all the possible proliferations happen then, but the amount of time it would take made it impossible. Instead, they squeezed out a proliferation for each AT (and an extra for Brutes, so they could take advantage of the then new weapon specialization). So it would not be unreasonable to expect that, other than sets they've explicitly said they won't proliferate, eventually we'll see them all proliferated. Hopefully they have been working on this silently and will drop a few proliferations into issue 20.
Sets that won't be include Empathy (and therefore, probably Pain Domination), Dark Miasma, and Ice/Ice to Brutes.
http://www.totalvideogames.com/City-...ure-12452.html
It's interesting that the article even left the possibility of Kinetics on Masterminds.
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Pain Domination was intended to be the villain version of Empathy, so that suggests that Brutes could get something which is intended to be their version of Ice Melee/Ice Armor, but lacks the -recharge which supposedly causes trouble for Fury. |
Originally Posted by Gilia
Sets that won't be include Empathy (and therefore, probably Pain Domination), Dark Miasma, and Ice/Ice to Brutes.
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Personally, I think that just replacing Chilling Embrace with something like Artic Fog, which provides the Brute with Stealth (like Cloak of Shadows and Energy Cloak) and applies a -Dam debuff to all foes in range would solve the problem. It could be called Cold Armor. I actually suspect it could be left alone, with the new Fury, but I think the variation would still be, if you'll pardon the pun, cool.
Likewise, Dark Miasma could be adapted into something with less control powers, while those powers could be ported to their own Dark Control set. The dividing line is really whether you consider that "Proliferation", or if it's the development of a new set.
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It's called Energy Aura. And like Pain Domination, it plays very little like the set it supposedly replaced.|
Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
Pain Domination was intended to be the villain version of Empathy, so that suggests that Brutes could get something which is intended to be their version of Ice Melee/Ice Armor, but lacks the -recharge which supposedly causes trouble for Fury.
Personally, I think that just replacing Chilling Embrace with something like Artic Fog, which provides the Brute with Stealth (like Cloak of Shadows and Energy Cloak) and applies a -Dam debuff to all foes in range would solve the problem. It could be called Cold Armor. I actually suspect it could be left alone, with the new Fury, but I think the variation would still be, if you'll pardon the pun, cool. |
Really, if they didn't have a problem with brutes in Granite, I don't see why Chilling Embrace or Ice Sword would be a problem. The -recharge in Granite is going to put a bigger dent in your fury bar than any slowing of incoming attacks. Ultimately, an Ice/Ice brute is going to be far more dependant on attacking to build fury, and will balance out a little lower. That's fine - Ice/ and /Ice giving up a little damage for a lot of sustained survivability (it doesn't help with the alpha, but it's invaluable in longer fights) is exactly what was expected.
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I rememr somewhere I showed exactly why Ice armor for brutes wasn't a great idea.|
Originally Posted by AnElfCalledMack
It's called Energy Aura. And like Pain Domination, it plays very little like the set it supposedly replaced.
Really, if they didn't have a problem with brutes in Granite, I don't see why Chilling Embrace or Ice Sword would be a problem. The -recharge in Granite is going to put a bigger dent in your fury bar than any slowing of incoming attacks. Ultimately, an Ice/Ice brute is going to be far more dependant on attacking to build fury, and will balance out a little lower. That's fine - Ice/ and /Ice giving up a little damage for a lot of sustained survivability (it doesn't help with the alpha, but it's invaluable in longer fights) is exactly what was expected. |
Anyway, Granite Armor is nigh inpenetrable. The Brute trades a portion of his damage for that incredible defense, so it's a fair trade. It's not a fair trade when your defenses are bairly on par with shield defense -and- your getting a damage nerf. Chilling Embrace is one of Ice Armors most important powers due to the -14% damage and the -recharge. Changing either of those components would weaken Ice Armor's over all mitigation.
TL: DR: Ice Armor would need a make over before getting ported to Brutes.
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Ammo switching for Dual Pistols was my idea:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=135484
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Originally Posted by Vel_Overload
I rememr somewhere I showed exactly why Ice armor for brutes wasn't a great idea.
Anyway, Granite Armor is nigh inpenetrable. The Brute trades a portion of his damage for that incredible defense, so it's a fair trade. It's not a fair trade when your defenses are bairly on par with shield defense -and- your getting a damage nerf. Chilling Embrace is one of Ice Armors most important powers due to the -14% damage and the -recharge. Changing either of those components would weaken Ice Armor's over all mitigation. TL: DR: Ice Armor would need a make over before getting ported to Brutes. |
Not sure how we got on this subject but I disagree that -Recharge would have the effect being described. Even at its absolute limits -Recharge only increases recharge speeds by x4. This does not mean enemies attack four times slower, it means enemies cycle back to their best powers that much slower. An enemy with a basic Brawl attack would just end up using that attack a lot more frequently.
Anyway, the amount of -Recharge in Ice Armor on a Tanker is only -32%. That's not even enough to increase Recharge time up to x2. In practice you probably would very rarely notice (although it does help some). You're more likely to experience lowered Fury generation from AoE knockdown than that subtle change in -Recharge.
Ice armor alone wasn't the reason. It was Ice armor along with ice melee.
The recent fury changes mean that this isn't really a big deal though. Even my stone melee brute with his area knockdown and stun spamming can build fury now.
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As pointed out, it would have been a number of issues since the last batch so they are due for it more than anything else.
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Originally Posted by Apophasis
I'm curious. What makes you figure that Power Proliferations are due then? Is there a cycle they follow?
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I don't think it's a fair assumption to say that since there was proliferation in issues 12 and 16 that there is going to be more in 20. Two pieces of data is not enough to make a pattern. Issue 12 came out in May 2008 and issue 16 came out in September of 2009. I could use this to say that the next round of proliferation is in January 2011 and it would be just as arbitrary and inaccurate as saying that issue 20 will likely contain proliferation just because 12 and 16 did.
Trick Arrow/Therm, yum.
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As stated, that's basically what Energy Aura is now. Even if it's not, the question was about proliferation. Pain Domination isn't a proliferation of Empathy, it's a new set.|
Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
Pain Domination was intended to be the villain version of Empathy, so that suggests that Brutes could get something which is intended to be their version of Ice Melee/Ice Armor, but lacks the -recharge which supposedly causes trouble for Fury.
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Originally Posted by Garent
I don't think it's a fair assumption to say that since there was proliferation in issues 12 and 16 that there is going to be more in 20. Two pieces of data is not enough to make a pattern. Issue 12 came out in May 2008 and issue 16 came out in September of 2009. I could use this to say that the next round of proliferation is in January 2011 and it would be just as arbitrary and inaccurate as saying that issue 20 will likely contain proliferation just because 12 and 16 did.
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@Gilia1
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And given that I19 seems set to arrive in November, January or February 2011 is a perfect time for I20. It fits too well not to be true!|
Originally Posted by Garent
I don't think it's a fair assumption to say that since there was proliferation in issues 12 and 16 that there is going to be more in 20. Two pieces of data is not enough to make a pattern. Issue 12 came out in May 2008 and issue 16 came out in September of 2009. I could use this to say that the next round of proliferation is in January 2011 and it would be just as arbitrary and inaccurate as saying that issue 20 will likely contain proliferation just because 12 and 16 did.
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Thanks for the heads-up on I20!
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Have the Devs/Mods mentioned any plans for this?