How would I I/O to def cap 45?


Blue_Centurion

 

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Just out of curiosity... (Cause I decided to run a rech heavy build)

But if you guys could throw the names of the sets and procs at me that get you towards the magic 45% I would appreciate it. Build is Invul/Dark/Fighting for now, haven't decided on epic pool, may not need physical perfection, then I could get a damage pool. Thanks. I might be able to cram some of this into my recharge build too.


 

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Yeah, but say I wanted to really make that guy a tank, pushing def/res to the exclusion of everything else in the build, where would I go?/how would I do it? What IO sets/Procs would I be looking for/why?


 

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The easiest IO sets for you to fit in your build will likely be the following:

Melee Damage sets:

Kinetic Combat (+3.75% S/L DEF for four slots)
Smashing Haymaker (cheaper than KC, +1.88% S/L DEF for four slots)
Pounding Slugfest (+1.25% E/N DEF for three slots)
Pulverizing Fisticuffs (+1.25% E/N DEF for three slots)

Damage Resistance sets:

Reactive Armor (+1.25% S/L/E/N DEF for four slots)
Aegis (combined +4.69% F/C DEF for five slots)
Steadfast Protection (+3% DEF to all on the unique)

Some of those are expensive, but using them can get you to the soft-cap at least to S/L fairly quickly. Personally I'd neglect Fire/Cold DEF, because strong fire/cold attacks tend to be typed as S/L too for the purposes of opposing DEF. Energy/Negative is your second priority in my view.

Though it's true that your RES covers you against S/L damage already, it's also true that many DEF debuffs are typed as lethal attacks (swords, knives, machine guns). And because S/L damage is so prevalent the more you can ignore it, the better off you are (indirectly) against everything else that might go along with it. Considering those things, and considering that S/L is by far the easiest category for an Invuln build to stack, it isn't overkill to soft-cap to S/L attacks.

Capping both S/L and E/N is doable on a Brute, but you may find that you have to sacrifice undue amounts of +recharge to do that. As usual, it's a matter of taste.


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Well, if you really wanted to make the guy a tank, I'd just go down a few forums and roll a bloody tank.

Do you use mids at all? It's got a lot of handy tools for finding the bonuses you're looking for. Also, check here for smashing/lethal defense sets, and here for energy/neg energy.


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Originally Posted by Obitus View Post
The easiest IO sets for you to fit in your build will likely be the following:

Melee Damage sets:

Kinetic Combat (+3.75% S/L DEF for four slots)
Smashing Haymaker (cheaper than KC, +1.88% S/L DEF for four slots)
Pounding Slugfest (+1.25% E/N DEF for three slots)
Pulverizing Fisticuffs (+1.25% E/N DEF for three slots)

Damage Resistance sets:

Reactive Armor (+1.25% S/L/E/N DEF for four slots)
Aegis (combined +4.69% F/C DEF for five slots)
Steadfast Protection (+3% DEF to all on the unique)

Some of those are expensive, but using them can get you to the soft-cap at least to S/L fairly quickly. Personally I'd neglect Fire/Cold DEF, because strong fire/cold attacks tend to be typed as S/L too for the purposes of opposing DEF. Energy/Negative is your second priority in my view.

Though it's true that your RES covers you against S/L damage already, it's also true that many DEF debuffs are typed as lethal attacks (swords, knives, machine guns). And because S/L damage is so prevalent the more you can ignore it, the better off you are (indirectly) against everything else that might go along with it. Considering those things, and considering that S/L is by far the easiest category for an Invuln build to stack, it isn't overkill to soft-cap to S/L attacks.

Capping both S/L and E/N is doable on a Brute, but you may find that you have to sacrifice undue amounts of +recharge to do that. As usual, it's a matter of taste.
I'd shoot for some of these sets, and for your PBAoE powers, 4 slotting Eradications and 2 slotting either Scirocco's Dervish or Cleaving Blow. This will yield some great bonuses as well.


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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion View Post
Yeah, but say I wanted to really make that guy a tank, pushing def/res to the exclusion of everything else in the build, where would I go?/how would I do it? What IO sets/Procs would I be looking for/why?
I'll just be repeating some of what Obitus said.

You want 4 pieces of Kinetic Combat in each melee attack, the other sets he mentioned I wouldn't use personally.

If you take taunt, and have the slots for it, Mocking Beratement & Perfect Zinger are both good options.

For resistance powers you have the option to slot either Reactive Armor (3-4 slots) or Aegis (3 slots) depending on which typed defenses you want to emphasize (Reactive Armor 3-4 slotted would be my first choice).

You also have the option of 6 slotting Obliteration in all of your PBAoEs (Soul Drain, Dark Consumption, Shadow Maul if you take it). Most people don't use it for the SM/L defense, but it actually provides more SM/L defense than the 4th piece of Reactive Armor - it will also help with your Recharge needs.

You can also 3-4 slot Eradication in your PBAoE powers for very good Ene/Neg Def bonuses. (4th slot for the HP bonus).

If you're taking Gloom, and you should, Thunderstrike can provide a moderate (3 slots) to very high (6 slots) Ene/Neg Def Bonus.

The problem with all of this is, that you also want enough recharge to get Dull Pain perma or near perma. At the bare minimum be prepared to slot 5 x LoTG 7.5s - but you will still want more recharge than this.


Were I to build it, my priorities would be:
  • Ability to softcap SM/L Def with 1-3 enemies in range of Invincibility.
  • Ability to softcap Ene/Neg with 1-5 enemies in range of Invincibility.
  • Enough recharge to get Dull Pain near perma, perma if possible.
  • Fit Gloom, Dark Obliteration & Darkest Night into the build.


A well built & well played /Invuln Brute is a nigh unstoppable engine of destruction.

Good luck.


 

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Danged Deus, you are dialing in on the answer like a laser, thanks.


 

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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion View Post
Danged Deus, you are dialing in on the answer like a laser, thanks.
I'm happy to help.

But do keep in mind that different players have different build preferences to mesh their playstyle.

My playstyle, on a Brute, is an attempt to balance as much offense as possible, while mustering as much defense as possible. (it never works out perfectly)

Some people will prefer to specialize in one direction.

I generally make a build choice at some point that will see me needing to make sacrifices from one of those build demands in order to achieve a goal with the other - but I still aim for what I perceive to be the balance point between them.