Where Are We On State Of The Art Kinetic Combat Slotting?
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DarkInvado,
Posted on: 2010-09-26 21:36 in Scrappers
Kinetic Melee is treated no differently from other melee sets when slotting for bonuses. I do see a couple things that could be changed in your build though.
Gladiator's Armor 3% defense is the most expensive IO you have. Can you really afford a 4 billion inf IO?
Why didn't you take Burst? Quick Strike is such a low damage power that it probably lowers your DPS. Burst would give you some AoE damage after Shield Charge is used.
Hmm...why kinetic combat in a shield build? Positional def sets always mean more to shields than typed def.
It looks like you achieved softcap def, but in some ways that could be streamlined. I'll see if i can find some time today to post an alternative. I'm more of a Mid's-GED than PhD, but it'll give you some ideas.
The glad armor 3% def is actually available to everyone now, with hero/villain merits. At 35 merits, it's very expensive (compared to what else you could get with those merits) and will take a good chunk of time to aquire.
50s:
Grimmloch, Tactically Delicious, Ugly Frankie, Operative Tracker, CryoFurnace, Professional Help, Silver Sphinx, Aries Knight, Tachyon Aegis, Jade Sphinx
Currently building:
Any one of half a dozen alts!
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Copied over from another thread about KM's DPS chains. |
Originally Posted by Syntax42
Kinetic Melee is treated no differently from other melee sets when slotting for bonuses. I do see a couple things that could be changed in your build though.
Gladiator's Armor 3% defense is the most expensive IO you have. Can you really afford a 4 billion inf IO? Why didn't you take Burst? Quick Strike is such a low damage power that it probably lowers your DPS. Burst would give you some AoE damage after Shield Charge is used. |
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Originally Posted by Chaos_String
As far as I can see, the only trick to maximizing the stacking Siphon buffs is executing six attacks in each ten-second interval, which is easy enough. Beyond that, there's no reason to overuse QS, since it's a drag on DPA relative to the other three attacks. For my build plan which has almost perma-Hasten level recharge, I'm planning to use:
BB>SB>QS>BB>SB>CS (9.6sec) |
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Originally Posted by Chaos_String
For the chain I posted, the requirements are:
CS: 204% SB: 195% BB: 100% QS: 0% |
Virtue: @Santorican
Dark/Shield Build Thread
Making a real quick build. This is probably around what I'd make for a KM/Shield build like. This is not an I19 build and if I were you I'd wait until then to make this build.
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.803
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Sophist: Level 50 Science Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Kinetic Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Quick Strike -- Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(9), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(36), Hectmb-Dam%(36), FrcFbk-Rechg%(39)
Level 1: Deflection -- HO:Enzym(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(3), LkGmblr-Rchg+(3), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(5), GA-End/Res(5), GA-3defTpProc(7)
Level 2: Body Blow -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(7), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(25), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), T'Death-Dam%(34)
Level 4: Smashing Blow -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(45), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(46), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 6: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 8: Super Speed -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
Level 10: Battle Agility -- HO:Enzym(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(11), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(11), LkGmblr-Rchg+(40)
Level 12: True Grit -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(13), Numna-Heal/Rchg(13), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Numna-Heal(19), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(19)
Level 14: Health -- Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx(A), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg(15), Mrcl-Heal(46), Mrcl-Rcvry+(48)
Level 16: Active Defense -- HO:Enzym(A), HO:Membr(17), HO:Membr(17)
Level 18: Power Siphon -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(25), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(27), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(27), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(33), GSFC-Build%(33)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(21), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(21), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(23), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(23), P'Shift-End%(50)
Level 22: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 24: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 26: Boxing -- Stpfy-Acc/Rchg(A), Stpfy-EndRdx/Stun(36), Stpfy-Acc/EndRdx(37), Stpfy-Stun/Rng(39), Stpfy-Acc/Stun/Rchg(40), Stpfy-KB%(50)
Level 28: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(29), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(29), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Aegis-ResDam(33)
Level 30: Weave -- HO:Enzym(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(31), LkGmblr-Rchg+(31)
Level 32: Concentrated Strike -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(37), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(42), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(43), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), Oblit-%Dam(45)
Level 38: Combat Jumping -- HO:Enzym(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(39)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-Heal(50)
Level 47: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(48), RechRdx-I(48)
Level 49: Grant Cover -- EndRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 2: Ninja Run
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Virtue: @Santorican
Dark/Shield Build Thread
Why did you go for Kinetic Combats and Rectified Reticle? The melee defense you get from either of those sets is pitiful. Take those for a typed defensive set, not a positional one. I also question your desire to skip Burst and Grant Cover. Shield Charge is a nice aoe certainly but taking down any large groups will be painfully slow with no other aoe attacks. You're also short on recharge in Smashing Blow if you want to run the chain Santorican linked.
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With i19 you'll be able to pick up Leadership for Maneuvers, Assault, and either Tactics/Vengeance or a travel power. Maneuvers with just a single Enzyme will give you enough defense to skip the Makos and Touch of Deaths and frankenslot QS and BB. | Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1464;705;1410;HEX;| |78DA8D935B6F124114C767B99472676D91DEA1B5374AD91663A2D644A35613B524B| |5D4467B01B7CB14D6124A60A3AD4F7E009F34D127DFB4EA47307E34AD782E0386F4| |C50DFC7F3B67E79CB3FFD999FCF16A488837B78416B95B335BAD52C16A9A8D866C7| |AF366C5B6844F0831DE8995F2B226A5F1C8AE4BC7B64AB71DC7B40E93DDA7ABF240| |D65BD228546D592B7786FA837A553665DD313A37E1F5A3A39A71DFAE541DBB5E09A| |9915397AD568006858694658EAF49B30193F47B0DDB32EE1C954F4A79B3E5C8E6C9| |10BC581AFE4F75A1AEB6576C03E6446887B14B88EC318A845889100803349515879| |B9C485F8591C72DB21D2E53389B23E4AE109EE92A0DF2B403812157855125F4DB84| |C00BC621611BB2DC2ACB2D29E4D96758843E9351E61A9CBC03595E95E5FDECC250E| |C0BE1C229E32B61F01BE33B2108CE7CECCCE563670BCA51872198E257E6FDEC6B8C| |CD8EB1D9E9278CC784D902210C5941CE12C115AEA4C1F608F32B8A701B2E1181615| |4D328129D241F45F0A12B1FFA4B0A5D7CC538260C9D305E1346382B0A850654BB81| |33DC85C20DDDE21CD2E2090D432397DDB48CF024A14C277A4D2F2A7A61CAB0AA379| |CA516316831AA42A39CE58359E36A69C6B72834C18B31C18B31B14148F19AA43609| |CFC15E52394CCED26748CD1126E71969C602619A1DF643AF29EEE59EFA484F2EBD6| |37C60BC27E8F09A33AAFACC2F0ACDFE669C11E6FE30DA0C414B3205D5E7D592CC67| |A861BA07059896E1B2AE0C87167B700A7D0DAEE03126A9E8D2430D4FCFD24D5AFC2| |57EE95C8A3F26345C565F6799573337C8BBCAD33DA2F0C35DB2E6E91E3FD88A5465| |DDD33D5942A349C97F93DAFE58F704FDCF851FBBB763DFB988EF5CA4FF5CE447A81| |3F16F04403751D651B6507651F6508A2826CA3E8A85D2FED9CD8E5E432FD7515650| |6EA0C4C193788B337D4190204A08258C124189A2C450065046503EA1B4FF028DB7E| |E93| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|
Note: I'm not sure if you'll need the i19 patched Mids to see that build properly or not, I went the old-fashioned way and did the fitness pool instead of using the inherents.
Ah right the quick strikes. LOL I was short on slots at one point and used those to get the easy 1.88% def but then later found slots to put there and didn't correctly slot it.
One thing I notice is that my original build has much higher recovery, more regen and better s/l damage resist than both builds and, in some cases, significant differences. So are the changes you made to my build making your builds more survivable?
Is burst going to make this a better solo'er? It will take mobs down faster but bosses, EBs and As?
I also noticed that one of the builds omits a travel power and inserts ninja run in place of it. Is ninja run a suitable replacement for a travel power?
That depends on what you're planning to fight. If you're fighting enemies with no defense debuff resistance than yes your build will be tougher but if you happen to fight any enemies with defense debuff resistance you're going to run into trouble not having capped defense debuff resistance. So its a trade off, keep 30% more reg, and .2 end/s or have capped ddr and the ability to run the chain I posted. I'm sure I could squeeze more reg or resistance out of the build I posted but again that was me spending 5 mins on a build so there will be a lot more room for improvement.
Edit: I also have to point out that in the build I posted you won't have much endurance issues because it has conserve power
Virtue: @Santorican
Dark/Shield Build Thread
Hey all,
Thanks for any help. Where are we on state of Kinetic Combat slotting? How does this build look? She is only 21 atm so should I be planning for the stamina inherent changes instead of this build?
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.803
http://www.cohplanner.com/
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Dark Invada: Level 50 Science Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Kinetic Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Body Blow
- (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
- (3) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
- (3) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
- (7) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
- (7) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (9) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
Level 1: Deflection- (A) HamiO:Membrane Exposure
- (5) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (5) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (9) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance
- (11) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Recharge
- (11) Titanium Coating - Resistance
Level 2: Battle Agility- (A) HamiO:Enzyme Exposure
- (13) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
- (13) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (37) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
Level 4: True Grit- (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
- (15) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/Endurance
- (17) Regenerative Tissue - +Regeneration
- (19) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
- (27) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance
Level 6: Combat Jumping- (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
- (15) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (19) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)
- (45) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
- (46) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (46) HamiO:Cytoskeleton Exposure
Level 8: Power Siphon- (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
- (21) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
- (21) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
- (23) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
- (23) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
- (25) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
Level 10: Active Defense- (A) HamiO:Membrane Exposure
- (25) HamiO:Membrane Exposure
Level 12: Hurdle- (A) Jumping IO
Level 14: Super Jump- (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
- (17) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
Level 16: Health- (A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance
- (46) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
Level 18: Smashing Blow- (A) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage
- (29) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance
- (29) Touch of Death - Damage/Recharge
- (31) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (31) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (31) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative)
Level 20: Stamina- (A) Performance Shifter - EndMod
- (33) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
- (33) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
- (33) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
- (34) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy
- (48) Performance Shifter - Accuracy/Recharge
Level 22: Against All Odds- (A) Endurance Reduction IO
Level 24: Kick- (A) Empty
Level 26: Quick Strike- (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
- (27) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
- (34) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
- (34) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (36) Focused Smite - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (43) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
Level 28: Tough- (A) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
- (36) Aegis - Resistance
- (36) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
Level 30: Weave- (A) HamiO:Enzyme Exposure
- (37) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
- (43) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (45) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
Level 32: Concentrated Strike- (A) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (37) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge
- (39) Hecatomb - Damage
- (39) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Recharge
- (39) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance
- (40) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
Level 35: Shield Charge- (A) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (40) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge
- (40) Armageddon - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (42) Armageddon - Accuracy/Recharge
- (42) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance
- (42) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage
Level 38: Hasten- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (43) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 41: Focused Accuracy- (A) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff
- (45) Rectified Reticle - Increased Perception
Level 44: One with the Shield- (A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
Level 47: Physical Perfection- (A) Miracle - +Recovery
- (48) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
- (48) Miracle - Heal
- (50) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod
- (50) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Endurance
- (50) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy
Level 49: Phalanx Fighting- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
------------Level 1: Brawl
- (A) Empty
Level 1: Sprint- (A) Celerity - +Stealth
Level 2: Rest- (A) Empty
Level 1: Critical HitLevel 0: Ninja Run