Don't undestand mag hold's


AnElfCalledMack

 

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ok noob here so the question is wht lv mag hold , holds wht?? ex. boss's= mag ? hold, arch= mag ? ect. Im ice/dark and i would like to know how good my holds will be ( say sloting with IO's only ) can i hold arch/, elite bosses ect.


 

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Just a note: Slotting, in general, doesn't increase the magnitude of status effects; it increases the duration. The exceptions are items like the Lockdown proc, which stacks an extra hold over the first one when it goes off, effectively increasing the mag, and knockback effects, which have no duration, so increased mag also translates to higher distance (or turns knockdown into knockback).


 

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Originally Posted by Selina_H View Post
Just a note: Slotting, in general, doesn't increase the magnitude of status effects; it increases the duration. The exceptions are items like the Lockdown proc, which stacks an extra hold over the first one when it goes off, effectively increasing the mag, and knockback effects, which have no duration, so increased mag also translates to higher distance (or turns knockdown into knockback).
Just to expand a little bit: There's also the Devastation proc for single target attacks (or holds). Other than those two procs there is absolutely no way for enhancements to increase magnitude.

Increasing the duration lets an attack stack with itself better, however. For example, if you increase the duration of your single target hold (mag 3), then you can hit with a second time (mag 6) and a boss will remain held as long as the first one's duration lasts.

The wiki is a big help, but just keep in mind most bosses will take mag 4 to mez. That means you need Domination up as a Dominator, or you need to attack twice with rare exception. Scramble Thoughts for Fortunadas is one example.


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Super simplified version:

All control powers have "magnitude"

Enemies typically have "protection" from controls

Example power has a mag of X

Example enemy has protection of Y. To effect a hold, X has to exceed y.

general rule of thumb is that LTs and under take 1 application to control, bosses take 2.


 

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Originally Posted by Gilia View Post
Just to expand a little bit: There's also the Devastation proc for single target attacks (or holds). Other than those two procs there is absolutely no way for enhancements to increase magnitude.
Quick adjustment on this: The Devastation proc can only be put in a hold if that hold deals enhanceable damage. So you could slot it in Free Ray or Bitter Freeze Ray, but NOT in Petrifying Gaze.


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I always think of it like this:

Mag 2 - Minion
Mag 3 - Leiut
Mag 4 - Boss

Typical single target holds are always base Mag 3, with very few exceptions, so they normally hold a Minion or Lt instantly and a Boss with 2 applications. This is the case unless the creature has some kind of status protection, in which case it may be harder to mezz them.

(Now, technically you don't need Mag 4 to hit a boss, you need anything greater than 3. The Mind Control power Mesmerize is Mag 3.5 and will sleep a boss instantly. I'm not sure if any other powers have a fraction of a Magnitude.)

Folks above mentioned the procs you can add to get a chance for higher mag. While you typically cannot enhance hold mag directly, what you can do is enhance recharge and hold duration to make it easier to stack.

Archvillains and elite bosses are a little trickier. Some of them have what are called "purple triangles (because of the ambient buff graphic) that grants them +50 status protection or some such. Basically enough that when the triangles are "up" holding them with a Corruptor is probably not possible. When the triangles go "down" you may be able to do it, however.


 

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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex View Post
Archvillains and elite bosses are a little trickier. Some of them have what are called "purple triangles (because of the ambient buff graphic) that grants them +50 status protection or some such. Basically enough that when the triangles are "up" holding them with a Corruptor is probably not possible. When the triangles go "down" you may be able to do it, however.
Up: Not on your own. However, if there are Dominators or Controllers around, keeping Freeze Ray up might help the control specialists get everything set up. Only do this if you know the others are trying to hold the AV, and Freeze Ray and Petrifying Gaze aren't great damage powers.

Down: AVs with the triangles down have the same protection as a Boss - two stacked Freeze Rays (or FR + PG) will hold them. EBs, with or without the Triangles have mag 6 protection, and will take 3 stacked holds - you'll need Petrifying Gave along with stacked Freeze Rays here.