City of Heroes: Live Forum Archive

Strange "shard/crystal" graphics

deadlydemoncoh

By deadlydemoncoh,
Posted on: 2010-09-16 19:54 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs

 

Posted

Hello all,

Twice now, when I've played in Praetoria, my screen will turn into some type of satanic kaleidoscope... it's hard to describe.

The graphics become "shard-like" and "crystal-like" and the shards move and fluctuate... usually the colors of the environment (eg. if I'm in a room that's mostly blue, the shards will be blue).

Just wondering if anybody else has noticed this?

How would I go about checking to see if my graphic card driver needs to be updated?

Thanks for your help.

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take a screen shot

 

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Use FRAPS to take the screenshot, incidentally.

 

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Check out this thread, Common Solutions & Posting Guidelines


Then post the results of these two programs:

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It sounds like it might be an overheating problem, check and report your temp with Speedfan - click on: Speedfan 4.41

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Thank you all for responding. I'll use Zombie Man's suggestions and report back.

Again, your help is appreciated.

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Okay, hopefully this is the information you requested:

From CoH Helper:

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Posted

I don't see anything that would cause problems.

Try going into the Nvidia control panel and make sure all the fancy stuff is set to be controlled by the client rather than through any Nvidia settings.

Also, Nvidia used to have problems with Geometry Buffers enabled and Grandville working together, creating a polygon distorted view... so, disable Geometry Buffers and see if that helps.

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I might try leaving speedfan up and quickly alt-tabbing to it next time you see the funny graphics - while your temperatures might not be too high normally, they could be spiking in some of the really graphically intense GR zones.

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Does the graphic glitch look like parts of the room or mobs are extending all the way across the screen? For instance something that would be a small triangle in the standard image now continues extending all the way across the screen getting wider as it goes? This is why screenshots are better than descriptions. Anyway, if it looks like I said, like various planes in the room now extend all the way across the screen then that is a heat problem and the card is failing.

If it's not a heat problem then the drivers are probably corrupt.

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First off, thank you all for taking time to reply. I know you don't have to, so I appreciate your efforts to helping me out.

Zombie Man, I'm at work, so not at the home computer. Not exactly sure where I'll find the NVidia control panel. I'll look for it when I get home.

Mandu, next time I get the glitch, I'll definitely take a screenshot and include it.

Would it help if I close all other programs (browsers, etc.) before running GR? Would that help any heat problem? Is there a more accurate way to test if the card is failing than what I've already done? I don't want my computer ruined by playing a game.

Regarding the drivers, how could I best see if they need to be updated/replaced?

I'm quite computer illiterate in some cases, so I apologize if these are simple questions.

I'll also check the link Zombie Man posted above regarding guidelines.

I apologize for taking up your time but truly appreciate the help.

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the weakest saint on his knees.
<----- Click there to learn how you can help!

 

Posted

Your drivers are fine and I don't see any background programs that would be causing trouble. CoH just happens to place a huge amount of stress on video cards so if the card is already failing or if the fan is dirty or not running well then it's very easy for the card to overheat.

Don't count your weasels before they pop dink!

 

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Thanks for the message, Mandu.

I did check and the driver needed to be updated, so I did that.

I also now close all other programs before running CoH. For example, I was running a program that always checks Farmville for items... along with my browsers, I closed that.

I have a few fans in my system (I think two small ones and two large ones) so I'll take a look to see how dirty those are getting.

Thanks again.

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the weakest saint on his knees.
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