oh God, I know. we get the boring elemental stuff, munitions mastery is the only one I was interested in and I don't get it. it goes so perfectly with mercs its just meant to be. its what mm's should of had from the very start. and we don't get it. so very lame man.
I wanted to join my Assault bot in the rocket-firing fun....
I too, was looking froward to MM for MM.
I believe the reason it was left out has to do with Weapon customization. Characters can only have 2 custom weapons. Because Mastermind can take a bow with any primary, that's already the two weapon limit. This caused issues when player wanted the Mace in Mastery customizable too. I think Munitions was left out to avoid the inevitable customization problem that would arise.
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Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
I too, was looking froward to MM for MM.
I believe the reason it was left out has to do with Weapon customization. Characters can only have 2 custom weapons. Because Mastermind can take a bow with any primary, that's already the two weapon limit. This caused issues when player wanted the Mace in Mastery customizable too. I think Munitions was left out to avoid the inevitable customization problem that would arise. |
Totally lame, yes, but I can understand why it was left out.
That can't be it. Mace Mastery anyone? It may have caused problems, but it is still doable isn't it?
Or what about weapon/shield/mace?
I guess I just don't see it being a huge issue if they already did it once.
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Originally Posted by InsipidClownfish
Or what about weapon/shield/mace?
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So is there a difference, programatically (sp?), between weapon(s) and shield?
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Yeah. I don't really buy that explanation much. I think it's just that they realized how over-the-top powerful surveillance would be for an MM. The LRM sniper power might also be easy to overkill with, since your henchmen keep you from getting properly beat up after you launch it?|
Originally Posted by InsipidClownfish
That can't be it. Mace Mastery anyone? It may have caused problems, but it is still doable isn't it?
Or what about weapon/shield/mace? I guess I just don't see it being a huge issue if they already did it once. |
Anyway, I don't understand why Chill Mastery and Heat Mastery don't have you drooling enough already. How great it must be to suddenly be able to survive Mayhem missions!
I dunno about you, but I survive Mayham Missions just fine
eh? the elemental apps suck because they only work for certain themes of characters... and they are intensely boring 
none of them really appeal to me, disappointing. but I'm pretty shocked to hear you think Mm's have trouble in mayhem missions? I think we rock them hard core, lol! they are so easy maybe not play on +4x8
seriously, it sucks we don't get the only interesting blaster app, but in my opinion... mm's are better tankers than tanks and brutes, better corrupters than corrupters, better controllers than controllers... I can't complain to loud - its just that cox makes it really hard to have characters follow a theme if not impossible a lot of the time and mm app would have given me one more good option for tech or natural themed characters.
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Hmm.. that is interesting. My experience is that the Longbow guys totally ignore my pets and fire directly at me. I can jump up on a rooftop or something like that, and that usually works, or maybe get a car down to a sliver of health, and try to lure them over near it. |
Originally Posted by Pseudonym1
I dunno about you, but I survive Mayham Missions just fine
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But otherwise it's hard to survive, especially if my teammates expect me to tank for them.
Tankermind, yo.
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My experience is that the Longbow guys totally ignore my pets and fire directly at me.
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On topic, however: While I would like Munitions, I love chill mastery. Just specced into it this week. Unfortunately, Ice Blast isn't properly unlocking the other powers, so I had to take Flash Freeze to get Hoarfrost and the armor. Hoarfrost combined with Triage Beacon and bodyguard mode makes for an incredibly tough mastermind.
Surveillance would be incredibly powerful, but masterminds can already solo GMs, so it's not needed. This would just make it faster.
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I would have really liked Munitions Mastery for a Mercs/ MM, it's really too bad.
If the problem was from some of the attacks I dunno why they couldn't change it around with a couple powers from the Devices Blaster Powerset
Taser, Targetting Drone, Smoke Grenade, heck, even the Time Bomb and Gun Drone would be neat to have and aren't available in /Traps
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Originally Posted by Berzerker_NA
Hmm.. that is interesting. My experience is that the Longbow guys totally ignore my pets and fire directly at me. I can jump up on a rooftop or something like that, and that usually works, or maybe get a car down to a sliver of health, and try to lure them over near it.
But otherwise it's hard to survive, especially if my teammates expect me to tank for them. |
They'll ignore your pets, trying to attack you but between collision detection with your pets and whatever snare you have(If you have one) and you running around walls and corners they'll never actually threaten you.
If you lack a snare, just pop purples while in tankermind for the duration of the ambushes.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
This is what you want. Bodyguard mode makes this trivial.
On topic, however: While I would like Munitions, I love chill mastery. Just specced into it this week. Unfortunately, Ice Blast isn't properly unlocking the other powers, so I had to take Flash Freeze to get Hoarfrost and the armor. Hoarfrost combined with Triage Beacon and bodyguard mode makes for an incredibly tough mastermind. Surveillance would be incredibly powerful, but masterminds can already solo GMs, so it's not needed. This would just make it faster. |
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What are the chances of getting Munitions Mastery in the somewhat-near future?
I was excited for it when I saw "Blasters get Mastermind Patron Powers, and vice versa" in the patch notes (http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/pat...patch_not.html).
And my excitement continued when I saw Munitions Mastery listed on the Mastermind wiki page (http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Mastermind).
But the list above [the list was in that aforementioned thread] seems to mirror what I'm also reading on the Epic Powerset Proliferation page on the wiki (http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Epic_P..._Proliferation).
So, I'm a little confused but I suppose there isn't Munitions Mastery... yet.
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Don't yell at me for double-posting please. I'm just wondering and wanted to post the question (and didn't really need to hijack that other thread anyway). I mean, MMs have three primaries that are pistol/rifle based so pulling out a big gun to shoot freeze rays and missiles shouldn't seem all that weird. Right?