high pitch noise???
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Call Me Awesome,
Posted on: 2010-08-15 16:16 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
sounds like the mother board. get yourself a UPS to plug your computers into. it sounds like an energy surge fried the board.
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Possible, but there's lots it could be. I've had a failed video card cause similar symptoms. To the OP, do the fans spin up when the machine's powered on? Do you get any lights on the case? If not it could also be the Power Supply; I had an Antec pull that on me a couple of years ago.|
Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
sounds like the mother board. get yourself a UPS to plug your computers into. it sounds like an energy surge fried the board.
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Did you have an electrical storm near you when the machine died? Are you plugged into a surge suppressor or UPS? A machine running off of a UPS is MUCH less likely to fry than one running off of the wall socket.
Offhand, and not having the machine in front of me I'd suspect one of three things:
Power Supply - if the fans on the CPU and case spin up and case lights turn on then this isn't the problem.
Video Card - the only real way to test this, barring something obvious like burst capacitors or a fan not spinning is to swap out another one to see if it works.
Motherboard - kind of hard to test unfortunately; it's kind of a process of elimination. If the Power Supply is good and the video card is good then it's likely the motherboard. If the mobo did fry it's likely it took the CPU along with it and maybe the RAM. My experience has been that RAM tends to survive more often than not but a CPU rarely does.
I'm not an expert, but I've been building, upgrading and repairing my own machines for nearly 15 years now so I've had some experience troubleshooting. Because of this I also tend to have old but serviceable components laying around to swap out and narrow down the problems.
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yeah..... I had a computer die suddenly. I was able to verify that the power supply and video card were okay, so I figured it was the motherboard. I replaced it (fortunately with a model that a nice diagnostic readout) and found it was actually the CPU that was dead. How often do you see that happen?
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Originally Posted by Call Me Awesome
Motherboard - kind of hard to test unfortunately; it's kind of a process of elimination. If the Power Supply is good and the video card is good then it's likely the motherboard.
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Well, the fans come on. But i found out that my vid card is integrated into the mobo. Now, i have no idea what to do about that. lol. Can i get a pci express card and place it into that slot and see what happens? Or do i have to get a whole new mobo? Thanks for the info.
Oh, as far as the power supply, its a 250watt. In case that helps determine what kind of card i can get.
Yep, a 250 will power a very small and cheap vid-card.
You may want to upgrade the PSU just as a matter of course - say about 500 W.
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It sure does, a 250 is barely enough to drive Mobo, CPU and drives. Possibly one of the extremely low end PCI express cards may run but there's no way you'll run anything approaching current specs on that PSU. |
Originally Posted by eryq2
Well, the fans come on. But i found out that my vid card is integrated into the mobo. Now, i have no idea what to do about that. lol. Can i get a pci express card and place it into that slot and see what happens? Or do i have to get a whole new mobo? Thanks for the info.
Oh, as far as the power supply, its a 250watt. In case that helps determine what kind of card i can get. |
For comparison many newer CPU's eat ~100 watts all by themselves; adding in the drives, RAM and ancillary hardware doesn't leave a lot for extras, and a modern video card can pull over 100 watts. I haven't seen a reasonably competent video card in several years that doesn't want at LEAST 400 watts and many are wanting 600+.
With integrated graphics on the mobo and that small a PSU I'm going to guess you have a micro ATX system with a very small and compact case? Some of those are pretty proprietary with power and the case; you may not have room for a modern video card even if you had enough power to run it.
One question, I'm assuming this is a brand name machine, is it under warranty? Chances are that you'll be looking at significant expense in replacement components. If you can give us some of the tech specs of the machine we may be able to offer more advise.
Worst case scenario you'd need to replace power, mobo, CPU, RAM, vid card and case... you should be able to reuse the HD and DVD drive as well as your monitor, KB, mouse and speakers. All that would run ~$400-$700 depending on the hardware you choose.
Since the fans spin up that pretty well lets out the PSU as the problem leaving the top choice as the Mobo since the video card is integrated. But hey, this is a good excuse for an upgrade
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Originally Posted by Call Me Awesome
It sure does, a 250 is barely enough to drive Mobo, CPU and drives. Possibly one of the extremely low end PCI express cards may run but there's no way you'll run anything approaching current specs on that PSU.
For comparison many newer CPU's eat ~100 watts all by themselves; adding in the drives, RAM and ancillary hardware doesn't leave a lot for extras, and a modern video card can pull over 100 watts. I haven't seen a reasonably competent video card in several years that doesn't want at LEAST 400 watts and many are wanting 600+. With integrated graphics on the mobo and that small a PSU I'm going to guess you have a micro ATX system with a very small and compact case? Some of those are pretty proprietary with power and the case; you may not have room for a modern video card even if you had enough power to run it. One question, I'm assuming this is a brand name machine, is it under warranty? Chances are that you'll be looking at significant expense in replacement components. If you can give us some of the tech specs of the machine we may be able to offer more advise. Worst case scenario you'd need to replace power, mobo, CPU, RAM, vid card and case... you should be able to reuse the HD and DVD drive as well as your monitor, KB, mouse and speakers. All that would run ~$400-$700 depending on the hardware you choose. Since the fans spin up that pretty well lets out the PSU as the problem leaving the top choice as the Mobo since the video card is integrated. But hey, this is a good excuse for an upgrade |
Well, i went and got a 430w PSU from Best Buy for like 40 bucks. I got a Nvidea 9800gt 1024mb gddr3 card.
Came home and installed everything. Turned the power on (nothing caught on fire, lol) but it is still beeping. It's 1 long beep, pause, repeat.
The monitor says no input signal, then goes to sleep. Sounds like the issue is with the monitor not recieving signal from the pc but what would cause that?
Thanks again for all the help.
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That beep code is telling you what's wrong; if you have a manual for the motherboard you can look up the POST codes in the troubleshooting section. Without knowing your motherboard manufacturer I can't tell you what that beep code means, it isn't one of the codes that applies to a motherboard I have a manual for and different manufacturers use different codes.|
Originally Posted by eryq2
LOL.
Well, i went and got a 430w PSU from Best Buy for like 40 bucks. I got a Nvidea 9800gt 1024mb gddr3 card. Came home and installed everything. Turned the power on (nothing caught on fire, lol) but it is still beeping. It's 1 long beep, pause, repeat. The monitor says no input signal, then goes to sleep. Sounds like the issue is with the monitor not recieving signal from the pc but what would cause that? Thanks again for all the help. Whoever gets it back up will get PL's whenever you need them on Justice. |
One thing that comes to mind is that you may have to disable the onboard graphics in order for it to use the PCI Express card; usually that's a jumper on the motherboard. Once again you'll need a manual to ID the jumper.
After some more research I find that Intel uses that code on at least one of their boards... I found it on Gateway's support page. On that particular board it indicates a memory controller failure possibly indicating bad RAM or just a fried motherboard. How many sticks of RAM do you have? If you have more than one you can try pulling them one at a time to see if your problem clears up.
I'm afraid that's about as much help as we can be without knowing more about your machine... who made it and what motherboard it has.
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and fyi, that 430 watt PSU will not run that video card for very long. if i were you i would return the PSU and pick up at least a 600 watt PSU. remember, it has to run everything in your comp, not just the video card.
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Originally Posted by Call Me Awesome
That beep code is telling you what's wrong; if you have a manual for the motherboard you can look up the POST codes in the troubleshooting section. Without knowing your motherboard manufacturer I can't tell you what that beep code means, it isn't one of the codes that applies to a motherboard I have a manual for and different manufacturers use different codes.
One thing that comes to mind is that you may have to disable the onboard graphics in order for it to use the PCI Express card; usually that's a jumper on the motherboard. Once again you'll need a manual to ID the jumper. After some more research I find that Intel uses that code on at least one of their boards... I found it on Gateway's support page. On that particular board it indicates a memory controller failure possibly indicating bad RAM or just a fried motherboard. How many sticks of RAM do you have? If you have more than one you can try pulling them one at a time to see if your problem clears up. I'm afraid that's about as much help as we can be without knowing more about your machine... who made it and what motherboard it has. |
I looked at the website and seen a list of beep codes. Wouldnt you know, it dont have one for 1 long beep. It has like a short and a long. 2 shorts 1 long. 3 shorts, etc.. LOL. I'll try to do the memory sticks when i get off from work today. It has 2. If i can find a diagram showing how to disable the integrated card that might would fix it.
Sharker, yea i didnt think about that. First time i ever messed with it. It it goes out, a least i know how to swap i again. They had a 650w for 99 bucks. Maybe i should get that one.
Thanks again.
Well, I've found this about your mobo and problem. Apparently that code designates an overheated CPU. If that's the case, make sure your CPU's heat sink isn't clogged with junk and that the CPU fan is spinning. If the heat sink's clean and the fan spins then you'll need to look further.
This can get a bit tricky, but my next step after checking the HS/Fan would be removing the heat sink and checking the CPU itself. If there's no sign of any heat damage you can replace the heat sink. I'd check the underside of the CPU also, just pull the little lever next to the socket and it should come out with no effort at all. DON'T touch any of the contacts on the underside!
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Before replacing the heat sink get some heat sink paste (Arctic Silver is my favorite but any brand should do, Best Buy probably carries it), scrape off all the old paste and apply a thin coating to the heat spreader (the silver plate on top of the CPU) and replace the heat sink.
From the sounds of things though it sounds like either the mobo or the CPU got fried. It's worth a try checking the heat sink and CPU but it's probably futile.
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From a glance of HP's website it seems like the onboard video is supposed to automatically disable when you put a PCI Express video card in.
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Dood, youre awesome. Imma try to clean it real good and see what happens. Hopegfully its just dirty/hot or something crazy. lol. Well, at least i got a new card out of it. lol. Wish me luck.
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Good luck; I'm not very confident that's the problem but it's worth a try and heat sink paste is only ~$5. I think you're probably looking at a new mobo/CPU/RAM but maybe you'll get lucky.
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Originally Posted by eryq2
Dood, youre awesome. Imma try to clean it real good and see what happens. Hopegfully its just dirty/hot or something crazy. lol. Well, at least i got a new card out of it. lol. Wish me luck.
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Ok. It didnt work. lol. I guess its fried. Couple questions.
1) Will any mobo/cpu combo work on any pc? Vague question. i know. But if i go to newegg to get a new combo, what do i look for?
2) Is it as simple as unscrewing it from the case and installing the new one?
Any other tips are very much appreciated.
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You have a Micro ATX case, this limits things a bit; I've never worked with one but I doubt a standard ATX mobo would fit. Your case is small; and it has a small motherboard to match. You'll need to either stick with a micro ATX mobo or replace the case if you go with a full sized ATX mobo.|
Originally Posted by eryq2
Ok. It didnt work. lol. I guess its fried. Couple questions.
1) Will any mobo/cpu combo work on any pc? Vague question. i know. But if i go to newegg to get a new combo, what do i look for? |
Now don't panic, you can get a decent, but not extravagant mid-tower ATX case for around $30 without a power supply. Newegg has literally hundreds of cases ranging in price from $20-$2,000. I assume you aren't worried about fancy options so you can look at cases in the $30-$50 range and look for features you'll want. DON'T trust any power supply that may be included in cases in this range, they'll be junk.
I do highly recommend buying a few quiet fans (look for the lowest DB rating... you should be able to get them for roughly $5 each); they make a huge difference in the noise from the machine. My machine has 5 case fans and a huge heat sink/fan combination... and I can't hear that it's running from 3' away. My drives are considerably louder than the fans.
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2) Is it as simple as unscrewing it from the case and installing the new one? Any other tips are very much appreciated. |
One suggestion would be to install the CPU, Heat Sink and RAM in the new board BEFORE you put it in the case... many heat sinks have a support plate that attaches to the back side of the board... and in any case it's usually a pain in the butt getting to things once the board's mounted in the case.
If it were me I'd get a new case and a standard ATX mobo, and probably a new hard drive as well... multiple drives are a great way to back up data and you won't be able to back up your old one before you have the new machine up and running. Decent hard drives are inexpensive... you can get a 1TB drive for $80... smaller ones are even cheaper. I'm partial to Western Digital; I've had several Seagates fail.
Putting together a machine from scratch isn't very hard; if you can turn a screwdriver and plug in a cable you can put together a computer... just take your time and make sure you don't zap anything with static electricity... a cheapie grounding wristband helps here, or you can rest a bare foot against a hunk of metal
. Don't do this on carpet!Once we have the hardware all together you'll need to install the OS... you MAY get away with using the old installation but it'll probably be buggy. Additionally this is a great excuse to start fresh with a clean installation.
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i replaced the same exact things in my comp which is the same exact thing you have eryq2. i got an asus mother board p5kpl-am se, as almost everything from the hp case will plug right in. if not, mod's will need to be made to the wires. if you need any help, i guess i would be the person to ask. do not contact hp about getting a mother board. they will tell you to send them the comp and it will cost you. also, you may have to get a new OS if you haven't changed it yet as hp brands all there stuff and any changes will not work. this includes the original mother board. like i said, any questions contact me.
Thanks guys, really! I'll start looking tomorrow and pricing things. Ill post my findings for input.
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I generally find it's money well spent to get an aftermarket heat sink... your CPU will come with one that's... well, adequate. $30-$50 for a good one gets you one that's quieter and works lots better. There's lots of good choices; I'm using a Zalman right now (forget the model) that keeps my CPU in the 40-55c range. There's a good chance some of these won't fit in your old case though... mine's about 6" tall and 6" wide.
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Originally Posted by eryq2
Thanks guys, really! I'll start looking tomorrow and pricing things. Ill post my findings for input.
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Ok. Heres my situation. Im gonna have about 500 bucks to do this. Do i
a) Go buy a Mobo and CPU and just hope that fixes it?
or
b) Take it to best buy or a local pc place, let them diagnose it and buy the parts?
I hate to spend the money to buy the stuff, then still have to spend more for another pc or more parts. Ive never messed with the inside of a pc other than swapping the card or adding memory, but after swapping the power supply i think i might can swap the other stuff. I just need to know exactly what i need to coincide with what i have.
Thanks again.
you will spend a lot more taking it somewhere to diagnose it. just get the MB, CPU and operating system. all of that shouldn't cost any more then 350-400. get yourself and anti-static strap also if you do not have one.
My pc froze so i turned the power off and when i went to turn it back on, all i get is a high pitch noise and no picture or anything on the monitor. Any idea as to what just went bad? Thanks.
(im on my 2nd pc atm, just in case anyone wonders how im posting this.)