light form in pvp or tough
I wouldn't use Light Form for PVP even before the days of Diminishing Returns. Why would you want a power that locks you into a sub-par damage dealing form? Sure you're still alive, but then so is every villain in the zone.
I wouldn't take tough either. For PVP, IMHO you're best off pursuing ranged soft cap and dropping a +perception IO in Nova. Use human form for the heals and buildup and STAY IN NOVA as much as possible. Even stunned or held or hit with -fly you won't drop to the ground for the easy kill, and your attacks - while you've only got 4 - are still much much stronger than anything human form has to offer.
Unless, of course, you're going for a human only build. Can't help you there.
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I wouldn't use Light Form for PVP even before the days of Diminishing Returns. Why would you want a power that locks you into a sub-par damage dealing form? Sure you're still alive, but then so is every villain in the zone.
I wouldn't take tough either. For PVP, IMHO you're best off pursuing ranged soft cap and dropping a +perception IO in Nova. Use human form for the heals and buildup and STAY IN NOVA as much as possible. Even stunned or held or hit with -fly you won't drop to the ground for the easy kill, and your attacks - while you've only got 4 - are still much much stronger than anything human form has to offer. Unless, of course, you're going for a human only build. Can't help you there. |
on a triform pb u want to build for recharge and +HP
I have been PvPing with a human form PB for a while now. I took him from 0-400 rep and then I took a break on him. Once I came back to PvP with my peacebringer again I took him from 90 back to 400 rep. I do have a few hundred hours of experience PvPing with a PB and I do have Light Form in my build. I use it mainly for duels, but I also use it when I am getting spiked. I love it when I do use it because nobody knows what attack I am doing because I am a ball of light. I also use it when I fight a thermal because it gives me some +endurance, but not enough to keep toggles up. It is just enough to get to a safe location before toggles drop.
I had tough on my build for a while, but when I team with blasters and scrappers my resist goes up and tough is a wasted toggle. I PvP on freedom and there is no shortage of scrappers and blasters in RV. I decided to get leadership instead of fighting power pool. I like the perception in tactics I get and +tohit. I picked maneuvers for the LoTG and KB protection proc. I did not get vengeance in my build, but I might get it if I respec. I currently have Radiant Strike and I barely use it so I might get better use with vengeance since I have good survival tools and I can just use it off a fallen team member.
PvPing with a Human PB is like the same concept as a Blapper, just less damage. Since the attacks are -defense you can slot with nice procs.
Range Procs
Apoc Proc - Chance for Negative Energy Dam
Gladiator's Javelin - Chance for Toxic Dam
-Defense Procs
Shield Breaker - Chance for Lethal Damage
Touch of Lady Grey - Chance for Negative Energy Dam
Melee Procs
Touch of Death - Chance for NE Damage
Mako's Bite - Chance for Lethal Damage
Hecatomb - Chance for Negative Energy Dam
Gladiator's Strike - Chance for Smashing Dam
You can even use Solar Flare as a -resist debuff by adding:
Fury of the Gladiator - Chance for -Resistance
Achilles' Heel - Chance for Resistance Debuff
Human PB may do less damage than most aggressive AT's, but we are able to proc our damage a lot and it makes a huge difference. On my most recent build I have gleaming bolt (the weakest single target range attack) slotted with 2 ACC/Dam Hami's, 1 apoc proc, 1 shield breaker proc, 1 glad jav proc and 1 touch of lady grey proc and it takes an attack that does an average of 70 pts of damage to almost 400 when they all proc at the same time.
... Oops I got carried away and lost track of topic. IMO light form is nice to have but not needed. It can help you in a pinch and is great for duels and tough is a wasted toggle.
Proton Sentry Peacebringer:lvl 50+++ - Human Build / Triform Build
Quasar Sentry Warshade:lvl 50+- Human Build / Triform Build
Red Katipo Arachnos Soldier:lvl 50+++ - Crab Build / Bane Build
Black Katipo Arachnos Widowlvl 50+++ - Fortunata Build / Night Widow Build
stick a few -res procs to make incandecense strike hit like a truck
Proton Sentry Peacebringer:lvl 50+++ - Human Build / Triform Build
Quasar Sentry Warshade:lvl 50+- Human Build / Triform Build
Red Katipo Arachnos Soldier:lvl 50+++ - Crab Build / Bane Build
Black Katipo Arachnos Widowlvl 50+++ - Fortunata Build / Night Widow Build
Light form definetly has a place in PVP. The main reason I use it (aside from the +end and +res) you don't suffer from going through power animations so you are constantly on the move and firing off blasts non stop (I took bolt and eyes and proc'ed them out.) The crash is a non issue if you have more than 100 end. I have 111 end on my PB and you only loose 100 end in the crash. So, pop a heal and your back in the game. Pop Geas if you want end back right away.
Interesting info there, Big Soto... I need to take another look at my alternate build for my PB now.
"Alien"
76 characters and Twenty-four 50s later, I still love this game.
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kool thanks for the replies but before i checked the forums i decided to go with a old blapper/dwarf build high recharge and hp.. and kept light form for the hell of it..
but yea procs are def the key.. and the Achilles heel in all the range attacks is heaven sent..
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kool thanks for the replies but before i checked the forums i decided to go with a old blapper/dwarf build high recharge and hp.. and kept light form for the hell of it..
but yea procs are def the key.. and the Achilles heel in all the range attacks is heaven sent.. |
Proton Sentry Peacebringer:lvl 50+++ - Human Build / Triform Build
Quasar Sentry Warshade:lvl 50+- Human Build / Triform Build
Red Katipo Arachnos Soldier:lvl 50+++ - Crab Build / Bane Build
Black Katipo Arachnos Widowlvl 50+++ - Fortunata Build / Night Widow Build
I have a way cheaper build but its very fast and effective.. when those debuffs get on the target i hit very hard.. and my heals come back so fat its really hard to kill i can survive 2 AS in human form.. with a swivel of life.. enough to hit the 2 heals or sometimes hit dwarf and heal.. i only use the dwarf form mainly for heal and escape..
Speaking of which is there any bind for tp so i dont have to constant click.. i know theres one i use to use for my shade but cant remember.. Also is there a bind to turn on human form shields after i switch back.. if not just tell me the regular kheldian bind... and ill just outfit all the keys to turn on one at the time.
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Iron Wind km/regen Iron Static elec/reg Psy Entity 50 psy/dev Iron-Assassin 50 nin/nin
Just thought of this, so I'm not sure how it'll work. But for the shield bind you might try:
/bind [key] "powexec_toggleoff White Dwarf$$goto_tray 1$$powexec_toggleon shining shield$$powexec_name thermal shield$$powexec_auto quantum shield"
That's a big if on whether that works or not, so if it doesn't try the combination of these two binds:
/bind [key] "powexec_toggleoff white dwarf$$goto_tray 1$$powexec_toggleon shining shield"
/bind [key] "+down$$powexec_toggleon thermal shield$$powexec_toggleon quantum shield"
Basically hit one key to drop to human form and toggle your smashing/lethal shield on and then hit the next one to toggle the other two shields on.
As for the dwarf teleport bind, you can use the standard:
/bind lshift+lclick powexec_name white dwarf step
teleport is targeted, so you'll always have to click at least once.
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Just thought of this, so I'm not sure how it'll work. But for the shield bind you might try:
/bind [key] "powexec_toggleoff White Dwarf$$goto_tray 1$$powexec_toggleon shining shield$$powexec_name thermal shield$$powexec_auto quantum shield" That's a big if on whether that works or not, so if it doesn't try the combination of these two binds: /bind [key] "powexec_toggleoff white dwarf$$goto_tray 1$$powexec_toggleon shining shield" /bind [key] "+down$$powexec_toggleon thermal shield$$powexec_toggleon quantum shield" Basically hit one key to drop to human form and toggle your smashing/lethal shield on and then hit the next one to toggle the other two shields on. As for the dwarf teleport bind, you can use the standard: /bind lshift+lclick powexec_name white dwarf step teleport is targeted, so you'll always have to click at least once. |
cool.. the first one prob wont work.. cause i remember years ago i tried doing that something similar.. but i will try again.. if i get any to work i will post it ..brb
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Iron Wind km/regen Iron Static elec/reg Psy Entity 50 psy/dev Iron-Assassin 50 nin/nin
Its working great.. Mercury Down actually was the one that helped me with the build... His build is pretty sick with purps and pvp io's.
I have a way cheaper build but its very fast and effective.. when those debuffs get on the target i hit very hard.. and my heals come back so fat its really hard to kill i can survive 2 AS in human form.. with a swivel of life.. enough to hit the 2 heals or sometimes hit dwarf and heal.. i only use the dwarf form mainly for heal and escape.. Speaking of which is there any bind for tp so i dont have to constant click.. i know theres one i use to use for my shade but cant remember.. Also is there a bind to turn on human form shields after i switch back.. if not just tell me the regular kheldian bind... and ill just outfit all the keys to turn on one at the time. |
Proton Sentry Peacebringer:lvl 50+++ - Human Build / Triform Build
Quasar Sentry Warshade:lvl 50+- Human Build / Triform Build
Red Katipo Arachnos Soldier:lvl 50+++ - Crab Build / Bane Build
Black Katipo Arachnos Widowlvl 50+++ - Fortunata Build / Night Widow Build
I think I watched him dual on freedom against a Psi/Em Blaster and held his own for the whole match. He was even winning in the beginning, but the last 1-2 min the person was able to get one up on him. He only lost by one (2-1) but I was totally impressed. That player he fought was a skilled player and later beat another toon I think it was 5-0. It got me to the point where I might get the dwarf on my PB.
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Iron Wind km/regen Iron Static elec/reg Psy Entity 50 psy/dev Iron-Assassin 50 nin/nin
cool.. the first one prob wont work.. cause i remember years ago i tried doing that something similar.. but i will try again.. if i get any to work i will post it ..brb
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i also have qflight and light form binded
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each bind can only execute one power. What I suggest you do is get a bind that detoggles dwarf and nova and activates either sj or flight so you an fly up or jump and toggle on ur shields. Personally for pvp I use a tri form. I mostly stay in nova and I use a bind for quantum flight when I get in trouble. I also use a bind to get in dwarf form for the heal and tp.
as far as light form goes, it's very useful if ur running a mostly human form. You get great resists and once it crashes you could fly aroun in nova form until it rechrges if you don't like running around in human form w/o it. I don't use light form bc the tri form I run only uses the human for quantum flight, heals and build up. But from what I can see as far as ur play style, you should pick it up.
also tough gets hit very hard by dr, plus that human form doesn't need more toggles.
Toggle binds (binds that include "+down or +forward or +direction as the first element in the string) will execute two powers; one on key press and one on key let-up. If you use powexec_name it will activate one and deactivate the other, but if you use Powexec_toggleon it will toggle both powers on, provided you follow the general rule of thumb that you press the key all the way down and let it come all the way back up before mashing the next key. It's possible that this could conflict with situations - like PvP - where multiple key combinations are being mashed in rapid succession, but YMMV.
You can also combine Powexec_toggleoff, Powexec_toggleon, Powexec_name and Powexec_auto in one key to activate up to three powers, provided one of those three is a toggle. This is because they are in effect doing three different things: one sets the status of a toggle power to active, one sets the "automatic" trigger to active, and the third just straight-up activates the power as though the player had clicked on it.
The usual caveats apply when setting any power to auto. You might want to see some of the binds players have come up with in the link in my sig. My favorite most recent bind is the one that toggles off a form (like dwarf form) long enough to activate a power and then toggles the form back on with the press of one key.
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So is it even worth it to use light form in pvp anymore? i Recently used it on my human form pb and i think i was capped at around 60 with the shields on.. so is that even worth it since i can just get tough with my pb shields and be around 50% to all including psi. And dont have to deal with the crash..
So whats the deal is light form even worth it anymore?
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