What's your frame rate?
By
Elcadar,
Posted on: 2010-07-19 11:57 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
There's more (far more) graphical options than just Ultra Mode. I'd imagine quite a lot of people that visit this section aren't using one of the few pre-defined levels.
Also, FPS will vary drastically based on what you're doing, or even where you are, and even where you're looking (looking straight at the ground will likely result in better framerate than staring into the center of the Rikti Mothership during a raid.
ParagonWiki might also be a better place to post and categorize this information (such as making a table), but it be hard to sort it all, since there's so many graphical options.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
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You are right, but the value of the basic data is people could someone with similar system who may be getting better performance or it could let them know the performance to expect and shoot for. They could ask more detailed questions as they come up.
Dumping all the right data would require a true database and way to upload into it. I'm certainly not adverse to that, but who's building it?
See here for a breakdown on the different components of the graphics options: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219534
There's too many different settings to build an average FPS database. There are, however, determinable breakpoints where hardware is fast enough to perform operations as expected, and where hardware is too slow.
The breakpoint of Ultra-Mode settings in low-medium at 1680*1050 is
Graphics card
- Nvidia GPU: Geforce 9800 / GTS 250 on the Nvidia side
- AMD GPU: RadeonHD 4850 on the ATi side
- Single Core Intel Processor: probably not
- Single Core AMD Processor: probably not
- Intel Dual Core: Core 2 Duo 2.6ghz or better
- AMD: 2.0ghz Athlon64 X2 or better
- AMD: any
- Intel: Any
- AMD: Any
If your graphics card and processor is more powerful, then you should be able to run higher resolutions or higher ultra-mode settings.
If your graphics card and processor is less powerful, don't even think about Ultra Mode.
This is getting interesting. I like the breakpoint idea, but we are just guessing what resolution people are running at. Do CoH have statistics on user config they share? I should have resolution in the list of things to capture. I'm happy with lower resolution (1024 x 768) but high frame rate for my system. Assuming 1680 x 1050 may not be good. Raw data is needed on what people really have. Maybe using the analyzer used for generating troubleshooting dumps is the way to go and just shoot it into a database.
I'm surprised NCSoft is collecting this data. Steam has tools for doing this- they know exactly what their users run as a whole.
NCSoft (more so, ParagonStudios) likely has this data, but like 99.999999% of all dataminers (read: all but Valve's steam hardware survey), it's not going to be shared with the general public, but mined up with a large variety of other data points (knowing what hardware the playerbase has is important to know what they need to support, what sort of additions they can add, etc).
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
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To the O.P., unfortunately, there's no good answer to your question. I can make my frame rate be anything between 5 and 120 fps based on how I tweak the graphics settings and which zone you are in. There are lots of knobs in "ultra mode" and it's all a matter of how pretty you want to make it look. I actually play at about 20-30fps. It's smooth enough for me and looks sufficiently pretty.
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Originally Posted by Elcadar
This is getting interesting. I like the breakpoint idea, but we are just guessing what resolution people are running at. Do CoH have statistics on user config they share?
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Yes, City of Heroes does collect some user-data. That user data isn't exactly accurate. E.G. a few years back there was a sudden flood of Windows 98 users after an update went out. The flood of Windows 98 users was caused by gamers using Cedega atop Linux having to change their program identify from Windows 2000 / Xp to Windows 98 after that update to maintain the ability to play the game.
No: the Paragon Studios staff don't openly share the hardware information that's collected.
not really: We can make some guesses about the average hardware base by what the developers do. E.G. the statements at HeroCon that the developers would be maintaining some level of support for Intel Graphics Accelerators. We can guess that there is a large enough player-base still using the Intel GA's to influence that decision.
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The RadeonHD 4850 and Nvidia Geforce 9800 cards were strongest in this resolution: While the RadeonHD 4850 and Geforce 9800 / GTS 250 could drive higher resolutions in many games, they started to suffer when applying filtering affects. http://www.hardocp.com/article/2008/..._4800_series/9
Ergo, since we knew from HeroCon that the RadeonHD 4850 was the starting point (according to the developer Ghost Falcon) for all UltraMode options at once, we knew where to start looking for Ultra Mode support.
We also knew from a post by Positron that under the developers on tests, the 9800 GT / GTS 250 were the starting point for all options at once on Nvidia graphics cards.
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what more raw data do you want. Pie charts? Line graphs?
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Okay, I'm honestly not sure what you want here or what you are going for.
If you want to know what is the minimum hardware for running all UltraMode options at once, that empirical data is already known, and documented in multiple places on the forums, including some of the stickied threads. I've just re-documented the starting points for support yet again in this thread.
- Either you have a system that has better hardware than that and you can start turning UltraMode options up
- or you have a system that's lower than that and you can pretty much write Ultra-Mode support off.
From the AMD side the RadeonHD 4670 will struggle to do UltraMode options no matter what processor you throw at it.
The Nvidia side the Geforce 9600 spanned 5 different models. The top end card, the 96 watt 9600 GT can drive Ultra Mode options in 1280*720. Lower end cards can't.
Their next generation siblings, the 5670 and the entire GT 2xx and 3xx line-ups are simply too weak to drive even 720.
I have a good frame rate, or so I think. Hopefully this little 'database' will help others get a better frame rate and understand what equipment to buy. to see your frame rate in game, type /showfps 1
Please post replies to this with following data (my system is shown):
CPU
intel core i3 530
OS
windows 7 64-bit
RAM
3GB
Graphics Card
Radeon 4770
Frame Rate (fps)
60
Ultra Mode (yes or no)
Yes
It's assumed you are using the latest drivers