Not going to be easy to do if you don't want to spend at least several hundred million. LotG's will help a lot - if you can use Merits to get them, I would look into that.
You need around 87% global recharge (provided you have 3-slotted Hasten) and adequately slotted Eclipse for it to be perma.
If you max out the number of 6.25% bonuses and 5% bonuses, and use Basilisk's in Gravity Well, and Mocking Beratement in the dwarf taunt (each 7.5%), you'll end up with 71.3% global recharge. From there, you'll have to either do some funky slotting extremes with Kinetic Crash or go for the 3.75% +recharge IO's if you want to stay cheap - and that might not make it.
I'd just go and get a couple LotG's to finish it off.
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Well, I'm not opposed to having them in there, it's just I don't want Eclipse being permanent to be dependent solely on 5 LotG and 5 purple sets, lol.
I was actually thinking of toying around with Force Feedback in Gravitic Emanation. Since it hits more than one target, it's likely that I'll get at least one activation off of each firing, which could seriously help getting Eclipse down to a reasonable recharge, so that, even if it isn't perma, I don't have to wait 30s or more for it to come back. Thoughts?
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Could work, I haven't used that proc in ages though.
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Originally Posted by WarronPeace
Well, I'm not opposed to having them in there, it's just I don't want Eclipse being permanent to be dependent solely on 5 LotG and 5 purple sets, lol.
I was actually thinking of toying around with Force Feedback in Gravitic Emanation. Since it hits more than one target, it's likely that I'll get at least one activation off of each firing, which could seriously help getting Eclipse down to a reasonable recharge, so that, even if it isn't perma, I don't have to wait 30s or more for it to come back. Thoughts? |
Here is my perma-Eclipse build. It uses some of the cheaper purple sets (Immobilize and Stun) and three Luck of the Gamblers +7.5% recharge. I used merits to buy the LotGs. After that, I spent about three hundred million, maybe a bit more.
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Originally Posted by WarronPeace
Well, I'm not opposed to having them in there, it's just I don't want Eclipse being permanent to be dependent solely on 5 LotG and 5 purple sets, lol.
I was actually thinking of toying around with Force Feedback in Gravitic Emanation. Since it hits more than one target, it's likely that I'll get at least one activation off of each firing, which could seriously help getting Eclipse down to a reasonable recharge, so that, even if it isn't perma, I don't have to wait 30s or more for it to come back. Thoughts? |
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Force_...or_%2BRecharge
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That's actually a pretty good idea ... but you'll really be wanting to slot Gravitic Emanation pretty well if you want to be making use of that enough for the return on investment to be consistent enough to sidestep your other limitations. Consistency is going to be key here with this, and you get that by using Grav Em A LOT on lots of targets, rather than onesy-twosy picky-choosey. And if you're going to be doing THAT, then you're going to need to be slotting up Grav Em, so that you can use it about every 15+ seconds or so ... since any faster and you start running into the self-suppression of the Force Feedback, limiting your returns on investment.
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Originally Posted by WarronPeace
I was actually thinking of toying around with Force Feedback in Gravitic Emanation. Since it hits more than one target, it's likely that I'll get at least one activation off of each firing, which could seriously help getting Eclipse down to a reasonable recharge, so that, even if it isn't perma, I don't have to wait 30s or more for it to come back. Thoughts?
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I used merits to buy the LotGs. After that, I spent about three hundred million, maybe a bit more.
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Impressive.
Definitely a good deal for perma-Eclipse!
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The way you play changes your IO slotting..
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Just as a note, by the way, I was just picking up some Immob and Stun purple sets for a friends build, and with patience you can get them for around 120M for a set, about the price of one LotG +rch (unless you have a lot of time and can bid spread across a lot of levels on the LotG). The Immob set is cheaper, if I recall, because the proc is really cheap on that one, like under 10M. Hint; bid substantially below the last 5, and work up over a week or two, I was getting most of them close to 20M, a few had to get slightly over 30M. |
Originally Posted by Demon Keeper
Here is my perma-Eclipse build. It uses some of the cheaper purple sets (Immobilize and Stun) and three Luck of the Gamblers +7.5% recharge. I used merits to buy the LotGs. After that, I spent about three hundred million, maybe a bit more.
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Then when you are buying the rare salvage, don't pay the "buy it now" price, look for the low bids at inactive times and bid just over those. It may help to make a list of all the ones you'll need in advance so if you need 3 Chronal Skips, you don't have to guess at bids three separate times.
If you really have patience, get your regular recharge sets at odd levels, a lvl 46 Positrons can be a lot cheaper then a lvl 50, you just may wait a week or two.
Alright, I"m having some troubles getting perma-Eclipse without breaking the bank. I don't want to have to invest hundreds of millions just in LotGs, cuz there are other good things I'd like to get first. So I'm asking the build guru's to take a look at my power choices and see if they can find any way to get Eclipse either perma, or close enough to so that I'm not waiting 40s or more at a time.
My main goal with this WS is to be a multi-functional damage dealer. Control isn't a major concern, so much as being able to get in there, get tough and wipe spawns. I like to use Quasar when it's up, cuz it's just fun to annihilate most of a spawn and then pop a blue and stygian back. I use Cloak, SS, and eventually a stealth IO, to sneak around, to set up eclipse/mire, as well as for stealthing missions to get teammates to where I am.
The character is mainly a TF toon, my go-to for anything anyone wants to run. Lately I've been farming a BM variant in AE, for tickets. I can do it, no problem, but it's slow as hell. Eclipse usually lasts through 2 spawns, but then I end up sitting around waiting for it to recharge, or jumping into dwarf after I mire and taking down the spawns that way, which is slow.
I have a build set up with the powers I know I want to have. Open power choices can be filled with anything you folks think will help. I want to avoid Purples and high end stuff like Numina/Miracle/LotG for now, though making room for them to be added later is a good thing. I just want to find a way to get eclipse up faster, so I don't end up sitting around waiting for it.
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Level 40 Science Warshade
Primary Power Set: Umbral Blast
Secondary Power Set: Umbral Aura
Power Pool: Speed
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Ebon Eye -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Absorption -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Gravity Shield -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Shadow Bolt -- Empty(A)
Level 6: Dark Nova -- Empty(A)
Level 8: Shadow Blast -- Empty(A)
Level 10: Hasten -- Empty(A)
Level 12: Sunless Mire -- Empty(A)
Level 14: Shadow Cloak -- Empty(A)
Level 16: Twilight Shield -- Empty(A)
Level 18: Gravity Well -- Empty(A)
Level 20: Black Dwarf -- Empty(A)
Level 22: Stygian Circle -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Super Speed -- Winter-ResSlow(A)
Level 26: Gravitic Emanation -- Empty(A)
Level 28: [Empty]
Level 30: [Empty]
Level 32: Dark Extraction -- Empty(A)
Level 35: Quasar -- Empty(A)
Level 38: Eclipse -- Empty(A)
Level 41: Stygian Return -- Empty(A)
Level 44: [Empty]
Level 47: [Empty]
Level 49: [Empty]
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Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Dark Sustenance
Level 28: Ninja Run -- Empty(A)
Level 10: Shadow Recall -- Empty(A)
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Level 6: Dark Nova Bolt -- Empty(A)
Level 6: Dark Nova Blast -- Empty(A)
Level 6: Dark Nova Emanation -- Empty(A)
Level 6: Dark Nova Detonation -- Empty(A)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Strike -- Empty(A)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Smite -- Empty(A)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Mire -- Empty(A)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Drain -- Empty(A)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Step -- Empty(A)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Antagonize -- Empty(A)
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Thanks in advance for your help!