Perfecting my DP/Kin Build.

_Tux__EU · 06-20-2010 02:32 PM

Hi everyone, I was hoping I could have some help with my DP/Kin as I'm mainly having some slotting issues:

I would like to stay at the Smashing/Lethal softcap and keep Leadership (for Veng) so if anyone has any other way of achieving the def cap through some better/alternate slotting that would be great.

Basically I'd like to see if I'm missing anything obvious that is going to allow me to achieve the SL softcap without some odd slotting. (Note: Siphon Speed)

Oh, and just to say I have the funds for the build, but no Glad Armor Def proc please

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Double Down: Level 50 Technology Corruptor
Primary Power Set: Dual Pistols
Secondary Power Set: Kinetics
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Pistols

(A) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
(3) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(3) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
(7) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
(13) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)

Level 1: Transfusion

(A) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance
(5) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge
(11) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge
(43) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
(43) Doctored Wounds - Heal
(43) Accuracy IO

Level 2: Dual Wield

(A) Decimation - Accuracy/Damage
(5) Decimation - Damage/Endurance
(9) Decimation - Damage/Recharge
(11) Decimation - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
(15) Decimation - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

Level 4: Empty Clips

(A) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage
(7) Positron's Blast - Damage/Range
(9) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge
(13) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(15) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)
(48) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff

Level 6: Swap Ammo
Level 8: Bullet Rain

(A) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage
(17) Positron's Blast - Damage/Endurance
(17) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge
(19) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(19) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)
(21) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge

Level 10: Siphon Speed

(A) Curtail Speed - Accuracy/Slow
(21) Curtail Speed - Accuracy/Endurance
(23) Curtail Speed - Range/Slow
(23) Curtail Speed - Endurance/Recharge/Slow
(31) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 12: Hurdle

(A) Jumping IO

Level 14: Combat Jumping

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(25) Defense Buff IO

Level 16: Hasten

(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(25) Recharge Reduction IO
(34) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 18: Super Speed

(A) Celerity - +Stealth
(27) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)

Level 20: Speed Boost

(A) Endurance Modification IO

Level 22: Health

(A) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery

Level 24: Stamina

(A) Endurance Modification IO
(31) Endurance Modification IO
(31) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End

Level 26: Maneuvers

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(33) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(33) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(33) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge

Level 28: Piercing Rounds

(A) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge
(29) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(29) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge
(34) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance
(45) Ragnarok - Chance for Knockdown

Level 30: Tactics

(A) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff
(34) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff/Recharge
(46) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 32: Hail of Bullets

(A) Obliteration - Damage
(36) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
(36) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
(36) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(37) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(37) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage

Level 35: Transference

(A) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod
(37) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Recharge
(39) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
(40) Efficacy Adaptor - Accuracy/Recharge
(40) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy
(40) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Endurance

Level 38: Fulcrum Shift

(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(39) Recharge Reduction IO
(39) Accuracy IO

Level 41: Scorpion Shield

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(42) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(42) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(42) Defense Buff IO

Level 44: Vengeance

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(46) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff
(46) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff/Recharge

Level 47: Web Envelope

(A) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Recharge
(48) Enfeebled Operation - Endurance/Immobilize
(48) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Endurance
(50) Enfeebled Operation - Immobilize/Range
(50) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge
(50) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Immobilize

Level 49: Increase Density

(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%

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Level 1: Brawl

(A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
(27) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
(45) Kinetic Combat - Knockdown Bonus
(45) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge

Level 1: Sprint

(A) Empty

Level 2: Rest

(A) Empty

Level 1: Scourge
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 6: Chemical Ammunition
Level 6: Cryo Ammunition
Level 6: Incendiary Ammunition
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Set Bonus Totals:

9.5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
9.5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
9.5% DamageBuff(Fire)
9.5% DamageBuff(Cold)
9.5% DamageBuff(Energy)
9.5% DamageBuff(Negative)
9.5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
9.5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
17.7% Defense(Smashing)
17.7% Defense(Lethal)
3% Defense(Fire)
3% Defense(Cold)
3% Defense(Energy)
3% Defense(Negative)
3% Defense(Psionic)
15.5% Defense(Melee)
3% Defense(Ranged)
3% Defense(AoE)
2.25% Max End
3% Enhancement(Immobilize)
2% Enhancement(RunSpeed)
2% Enhancement(FlySpeed)
2% Enhancement(JumpHeight)
87.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
51% Enhancement(Accuracy)
4% Enhancement(Heal)
2% Enhancement(JumpSpeed)
96.4 HP (9%) HitPoints
Knockback (Mag -4)
Knockup (Mag -4)
MezResist(Immobilize) 6.6%
MezResist(Stun) 2.2%
MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%
10.5% (0.18 End/sec) Recovery
46% (2.06 HP/sec) Regeneration
6.93% Resistance(Fire)
6.93% Resistance(Cold)
1.88% Resistance(Negative)

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Favourite Toons: Prosper [Ill/Rad] Controller :: Infinitus [Fire/Elec] Blaster :: Pocket Dynamo [Fire/Shield] Scr :: Fast [Cold/Sonic] Def ::
Inspire [Plant/Storm] Controller :: Quality - SS/Fire Brute :: Double Down [DP/Kin] Corr :: Pwnz [Fire/Cold] Corr :: Fail [Fire/Son] Corr

plainguy · 06-21-2010 10:32 AM

Remove Suppressive Fire for Veng.

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Level 50 Magic Corruptor
Primary Power Set: Dual Pistols
Secondary Power Set: Kinetics
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Pistols

(A) Decimation - Accuracy/Damage
(3) Decimation - Damage/Endurance
(7) Decimation - Damage/Recharge
(37) Decimation - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
(40) Decimation - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

Level 1: Transfusion

(A) Accuracy IO
(3) Recharge Reduction IO
(5) Touch of the Nictus - Healing
(7) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Healing
(13) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Endurance/Heal/HitPoints/Regeneration

Level 2: Siphon Power

(A) Accuracy IO
(17) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 4: Empty Clips

(A) Curtail Speed - Accuracy/Slow
(5) Curtail Speed - Damage/Slow
(13) Curtail Speed - Accuracy/Endurance
(19) Curtail Speed - Range/Slow
(25) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage
(46) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge

Level 6: Hurdle

(A) Jumping IO

Level 8: Bullet Rain

(A) Curtail Speed - Accuracy/Slow
(9) Curtail Speed - Damage/Slow
(9) Curtail Speed - Accuracy/Endurance
(15) Curtail Speed - Range/Slow
(17) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage
(46) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge

Level 10: Siphon Speed

(A) Accuracy IO
(11) Recharge Reduction IO
(11) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 12: Swap Ammo
Level 14: Health

(A) Healing IO
(15) Healing IO

Level 16: Increase Density

(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
(31) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
(34) Reactive Armor - Resistance
(39) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Recharge
(40) Reactive Armor - Endurance/Recharge

Level 18: Hasten

(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(19) Recharge Reduction IO
(46) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 20: Speed Boost

(A) Endurance Modification IO
(21) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)

Level 22: Stamina

(A) Endurance Modification IO
(23) Endurance Modification IO
(23) Endurance Modification IO

Level 24: Maneuvers

(A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
(25) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
(29) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
(31) Red Fortune - Endurance
(36) Red Fortune - Defense

Level 26: Piercing Rounds

(A) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage
(27) Positron's Blast - Damage/Endurance
(27) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge
(29) Positron's Blast - Damage/Range
(31) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance

Level 28: Inertial Reduction

(A) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 30: Combat Jumping

(A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
(34) Red Fortune - Defense
(37) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
(40) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge
(42) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge

Level 32: Hail of Bullets

(A) Multi Strike - Accuracy/Damage
(33) Multi Strike - Damage/Endurance
(33) Multi Strike - Damage/Recharge
(33) Multi Strike - Accuracy/Endurance
(34) Multi Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(39) Multi Strike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 35: Transference

(A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
(36) Performance Shifter - EndMod
(37) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge

Level 38: Fulcrum Shift

(A) Accuracy IO
(39) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 41: Web Envelope

(A) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Recharge
(42) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Immobilize
(42) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Endurance
(43) Enfeebled Operation - Endurance/Immobilize
(43) Enfeebled Operation - Immobilize/Range
(43) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge

Level 44: Tactics

(A) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff
(45) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff/Recharge
(45) Rectified Reticle - Increased Perception
(45) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Endurance

Level 47: Suppressive Fire

(A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
(48) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
(48) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge
(48) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

Level 49: Scorpion Shield

(A) Defense Buff IO
(50) Defense Buff IO
(50) Defense Buff IO

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Level 1: Brawl

(A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
(21) Kinetic Combat - Knockdown Bonus
(36) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
(50) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 1: Sprint

(A) Empty

Level 2: Rest

(A) Empty

Level 1: Scourge
Level 6: Ninja Run
Level 12: Chemical Ammunition
Level 12: Cryo Ammunition
Level 12: Incendiary Ammunition

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1. Why Soft Cap is Important : http://dechskaison.blogspot.com/2011...important.html
2. Limits: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Limits
3. Attack Mechanics: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics
4. Rule of Five: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Rule_o...e_Law_of_Fives

_Tux__EU · 07-09-2010 07:59 AM

Cheers plainguy, but I stated I want to keep Veng, and I can't really see how Suppressive Fire is going to be useful for my playstyle.

EDIT: And your build has a lot less recharge.

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Inspire [Plant/Storm] Controller :: Quality - SS/Fire Brute :: Double Down [DP/Kin] Corr :: Pwnz [Fire/Cold] Corr :: Fail [Fire/Son] Corr

InsipidClownfish · 07-19-2010 09:59 AM

Well, this is my DP/Kin build that I am reasonably happy with. Softcapped S/L, but less global recharge than you have. The problem is, without dipping into the fighting pool, going a little off on the slotting to achieve those levels of defense is pretty much required, especially for primary/secondary sets with no native defense.

PS, not recommending this as a better build to yours, just so that you might have a chance to compare. As you can see I also ended up slotting just for the defense on siphon speed, among other things.

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_Tux__EU · 07-19-2010 03:25 PM

Thanks for that build Inspid, some interesting ideas in it. Were you slotting the Devastations for the Health Bonus, because they can be swapped out for Deci's to give pretty much as good a recharge as my build. Guassian's can also be swapped out for Rectified Reticles which give better SL Def for less slots.

Oh, and if you give it one more slot I like Five Doctored Wounds and an Acc in Transfusion for the rech.

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I like the Web Cocoon slotting aswell, and also using Stealth for a nice def bonus.

@Fail (Used to be @Tux) and @Tuxedo Infinitus Defiant/Freedom/Champion
Favourite Toons: Prosper [Ill/Rad] Controller :: Infinitus [Fire/Elec] Blaster :: Pocket Dynamo [Fire/Shield] Scr :: Fast [Cold/Sonic] Def ::
Inspire [Plant/Storm] Controller :: Quality - SS/Fire Brute :: Double Down [DP/Kin] Corr :: Pwnz [Fire/Cold] Corr :: Fail [Fire/Son] Corr

InsipidClownfish · 07-19-2010 03:54 PM

Well I actually slotted the Devastation primarily for the psi defense. I know 20% defense isn't gonna do anything amazing, but against Rikti or whatever, getting nailed with a mez usually means game over.

The Gaussian's... mainly seemed like a good idea at the time. Maybe I'll think of removing them if I ever spec into purples or whatever GR brings.

On the topic of Web Cocoon, I eventually dropped Suppressive Fire for it, just for the fact that Sup. Fire is annoying to slot if you swap in and out of ammo. The slotting was mainly a compromise to get the defense.

Wassabi · 07-20-2010 12:57 PM

If your after recharge, why wouldnt you have suppressive? 4 slots of basilisk gaze for recharge, 2 slots for flavor... I slotted 2 chance for holds... a most useful tool.

Wassabi Grav/Kin 50 (before badges/accolades were in game) Pinnacle
Miss Command Bots/Traps 50 Justice

*others left off due to space issues

_Tux__EU · 07-20-2010 05:05 PM

What would you suggest swapping out Wassabi? Keep in mind I'd like to stay at the SL softcap and keep the leadership powers.

@Fail (Used to be @Tux) and @Tuxedo Infinitus Defiant/Freedom/Champion
Favourite Toons: Prosper [Ill/Rad] Controller :: Infinitus [Fire/Elec] Blaster :: Pocket Dynamo [Fire/Shield] Scr :: Fast [Cold/Sonic] Def ::
Inspire [Plant/Storm] Controller :: Quality - SS/Fire Brute :: Double Down [DP/Kin] Corr :: Pwnz [Fire/Cold] Corr :: Fail [Fire/Son] Corr