(6-8-10) OAS Gladiator matches
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Cappy,
Posted on: 2010-06-08 06:50 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
Gladiator matches are intended for you to be an observer controlling your pets. You don't have any powers, have perma-fly, and can not interact with characters in any way. You can't even block or push them around.. you pass directly through them. It sounds mostly normal to me.
As for currently not being able to even control the pets... I'd have to test. I know there are a few other Arena problems getting certain types of matches to start, but I have not run my heal farm in a while to find out if anything is specifically wrong with the way Gladiators behave right now.
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I don't think the OP was asking for a tutorial of the Gladiator system. Why would you do that to him? He was simply reporting an issue.|
Originally Posted by Master-Blade
Gladiator matches are intended for you to be an observer controlling your pets. You don't have any powers, have perma-fly, and can not interact with characters in any way. You can't even lock or push them around.. you pass directly through them. It sounds mostly normal to me.
As for currently not being able to even control the pets... I'd have to test. I know there are a few other Arena problems getting certain types of matches to start, but I have not run my heal farm in a while to find out if anything is specifically wrong with the way Gladiators behave right now. |
You don't really have to test. He doesn't need your help. He's reporting an issue that he had so the devs can have a look.
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I was just trying to say that 2 out of 3 things that he reported are working as intended. The purpose of this forum is partially to share our experiences and find out what may be causing the problem.|
Originally Posted by Cappy
I don't think the OP was asking for a tutorial of the Gladiator system. Why would you do that to him? He was simply reporting an issue.
You don't really have to test. He doesn't need your help. He's reporting an issue that he had so the devs can have a look. |
We test things ourselves for many reasons. It's not that we don't believe the OP. It helps us gather more information about the problem and see what the similarity and differences of our experiences might be. Many times, a problem may only affect certain people, or only under certain circumstances. If nobody checked for themselves, we would never know if the OP's problem is a result of user error, client error, or server error.
If he didn't want our (player) input, he should just sent a /bug report so the devs will actually see it.
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*took out the quote of forum description because Katze listed it below while I was adding more to my post.
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Because that's what this forum is for; for players to discuss issues. Part of that process is if someone notices a post is about a feature that may not be a bug, or a feature that is working as designed or intended, or asking for clarification.|
Originally Posted by Cappy
I don't think the OP was asking for a tutorial of the Gladiator system. Why would you do that to him? He was simply reporting an issue.
You don't really have to test. He doesn't need your help. He's reporting an issue that he had so the devs can have a look. |
The forum description from the top of this very page:
Technical Issues & Bugs Discuss technical questions and/or bugs here! This is NOT a forum where official technical/QA support is available. To report a bug use the /bug command in game. For technical assistance email support@coh.com.
Edit: Slow typer is slow ..
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I stand corrected. I was simply hoping to keep you from flaming him here as you did in another thread. My appologies.
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Originally Posted by Master-Blade
I was just trying to say that 2 out of 3 things that he reported are working as intended. The purpose of this forum is partially to share our experiences and find out what may be causing the problem.
We test things ourselves for many reasons. It's not that we don't believe the OP. It helps us gather more information about the problem and see what the similarity and differences of our experiences might be. Many times, a problem may only affect certain people, or only under certain circumstances. If nobody checked for themselves, we would never know if the OP's problem is a result of user error, client error, or server error. If he didn't want our (player) input, he should just sent a /bug report so the devs will actually see it. Edit: *took out the quote of forum description because Katze listed it below while I was adding more to my post. |
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I don't know what post you could be referring to other than when the OP linked to the outdated wikia site.|
Originally Posted by Cappy
I stand corrected. I was simply hoping to keep you from flaming him here as you did in another thread. My appologies.
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Other players corrected him, and I simply agreed with them.
Correcting another player's oversight is not the same as flaming. In my case, it was not even close.
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Back on topic..
I have spent the last hour or so in other threads and trying to re-calculate other things that I'm sure my math is wrong about... I did not get a chance to test the arena before work, so it'll have to wait until tonight and/or another player's response.
Prior to the patch, I did a gladiator match just the day before. Flight from the user may have been "as intended", but it was not like that yesterday before the patch. As soon as the servers were available, I tried 2 gladiator matches on 2 different maps (warehouse and cage). Both accounts experienced similar results. The fact that I was flying was news to me, since I did not fly the day before, nor the week before for that matter. The "only affecting self", whether that's intended or not, won't allow me to control my pets - follow, go to, defensive, aggressive, passive, stay. I know I'm supposed to be immobile and "phased" within the countdown timer, but I'm pretty sure that, even after, I'm supposed to be out of phase in order to control my gladiator pets.
I just tried again. Settings were "no observers", "not rated", kill stock 10, cargo map, gladiator match, invites only. Mind you, I've done this exact setting the day and week before. When the image of my toon loads, I am immobilized with a countdown timer. As soon as the timer runs out, I start "flying" (as intended, as some pointed out) and my gladiators appear. All the gladiators are on aggressive mode and on follow. I can not change this setting because I am "only affecting self" and message invalid command pops up saying "Pet command failed, you cannot command pets in your current state."
In an Arena Gladiator match now. I, too, am experiencing the same thing as Desum.
I cannot get pets to react to anything. They only auto-follow my movements. Even when I stand in the midst of the enemy and selecting an enemy gladiator target (or the enemy targets one of my gladiators), all gladiators (both mine and enemy) lounge toe-to-toe with each other without reacting. This in spite of the unchangeable default set to "Aggressive/Attack My Target".
Neither "/petcom all attack" (without quotes, or any other similar MM slash commands), clicking the icons above the pet names in the pet window, dragging said icons to power bar and clicking them there, NOR right-clicking pet and selecting actions from submenu get results. All generate the same Error: "Pet command failed, you cannot command pets in your current state".
Every combination of arena settings I can imagine has been tried. Even changed my Gladiator line up a couple times in case it was pet-specific. The same error happens universally.
Neither the opponent nor I can take any action beyond moving and watching our pets mindlessly follow. The only way to exit the match is by time running out (when challenge is timed), exiting the map from the Score window (forcing a default win), or logging out.
In the end could only send a /bug report and left the arena. Will be back once the problem is fixed.
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Originally Posted by Cappy
I stand corrected. I was simply hoping to keep you from flaming him here as you did in another thread. My appologies.
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This was awfully nice. I got negative rep and this comment for offering an appology -
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| Completely uncalled for. Master-Blade is one of the most helpful people on this forum. He doesn't flame folks. |
You likely got negative rep for accusing Master-Blade of flaming. As TJ noted, Master-Blade is one of the most helpful people on this forum, and he doesn't flame people.
It reads as a back-handed apology to me in that you "stand corrected" but proceeded to accuse M-B of having been flaming the poster in another thread. And THEN you apologized.
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For the record, I accept the apology. It was apparently a big misunderstanding. I'm still unsure how you thought my posts in another thread were flames, but hopefully you wont make assumptions again next time.|
Originally Posted by Cappy
This was awfully nice. I got negative rep and this comment for offering an appology -
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I appreciate the support from TJ, but I certainly didn't tell anybody to -rep you. I'm sorry if you feel you are being attacked, but I assure you I have done nothing to cause it.
If you have a problem with reputation, my advice to you would be to disable your reputation in the options and confront the person privately in a PM.
Publicly calling somebody out and making a thread go offtopic just makes you a target for more -rep. That's not a warning or a threat.. just the simple truth. I'm honestly just trying to help. I wouldn't spend most of my free time in the Tech and Player Question forums if that wasn't the case.
And thanks to WarLord Mars as well.
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Back on topic again...
I just ran a Gladiator match and confirmed that it is indeed completely broken.
I still don't think the flying is new. I've always has insta-fly during my healfarms in the past, but I also get the same error message when trying to send a command to the pets.
On a positive note, while the match itself is broken, the healfarm aspect of it seems to still work just fine. The Longbow still run their healing aura repeatedly. The only problem would be keeping a large enough mob positioned tightly together without being able to use their Goto command.
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I just realized that even though the Wardens are using their aura, the pets might also be in an "Only Affecting Self" state, and might not actually be healing each other. That would explain why they aren't attacking each other as well. I was using a character that already has Empath, so I don't know if I would have earned credit or not. I'll have to try again later. lol
First, my appologies to all. I reread my previous posts and I sound a lot worse than I mean to be. I didn't intend to offend anyone and my actions are regrettable.
Now, on topic.
I just tested the arena gladiator heal farming on my scrapper. It was a short test, but effective. Gladiators are indeed broken. You can't issue any commands to them. But in the current state, heal farming is still working. I'm not certain if the heal rate will be lower than it used to be. I didn't run my test long enough to check the rate.
I went into the arena and flew iinto a corner, high in the air, with nothing around for the gladiators to jump up on. I waited until they were in a tight group and then flew back down until I was just above them. All of the gladiators were getting the heal status icon on them, as they did before.
I dropped my badge list down and hovered my mouse over the progress bar for Empath (my last available heal badge) and waited. In the 5 minutes that I was in the match my bar moved and the numbers jumped 4 times.
So even in the current broken state, it's still useful. If I can run a farm for a night or two, I will try to get an average rate and post it here.
Forgot to mention, although flight isn't new it is newer. I can't recall for sure, but I believe it was introduced with i15. I ran heal farms on Liberty for about 9 months to get empath on my blaster. This was before they started lowering the req's and you still needed 1 billion for the badge. At that time there was no flight. I dug up some old screenshots to verify, as my memory isn't what it used to be.
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Agreed. It wasn't always there, but it's certainly been there long enough for the OP to have seen it "last week". |
Originally Posted by Cappy
Forgot to mention, although flight isn't new it is newer. I can't recall for sure, but I believe it was introduced with i15. I ran heal farms on Liberty for about 9 months to get empath on my blaster. This was before they started lowering the req's and you still needed 1 billion for the badge. At that time there was no flight. I dug up some old screenshots to verify, as my memory isn't what it used to be.
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And thanks for double checking the heal credit. My test was too quick and wasn't really for healing purposes, so I didn't check for actual credit.
I think they broke the flight in gladiator matches with i17. The last patch noted that they fixed the observer drone flight. Maybe that also fixed the flight for gladiators along with breaking the ability to control the pets.
Just a guess.....
Poked around in the Arena again today.
The gladiator controls are again working correctly, yay!
The matches will still be unusable to earn the Grand Lanista badge. Sigh.
Everything can be set up correctly, but when the Gladiator Match bullet is activated an error message "This event cannot be rated because the level range for this event is invalid" prevents the match from starting. This message generates because selecting the Gladiator Match bullet defaults the level to Any Level and the level dropdown options disappear.
Back to the waiting game...
From the latest patch notes:
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Confirmed on Freedom just now. The Grand Lanista and Hercules Titan badges are able to be earned again.
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When a user enters a gladiator match, the user becomes Only Affecting Self even after the timer has expired. Not only that, the user is also in flight mode. While under OAS, the user can't control the pets either.