Storage bin concerns (Base Issues Tangent)
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Impish Kat,
Posted on: 2010-05-06 18:51 in Base Construction
Snow Globe, in further testing, I came to a strange result.
In order to be able to change storage bin permissions, I had to be on a toon that was enabled with BOTH "Edit Rank" AND "Modify Base".
Using a toon that had only one or the other enabled, did not allow me to change the base permissions.
Can you verify if this is WAI?
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What rank was the character? I know that the storage items default to the Super Leader rank because in a couple of groups I was using at Issue 13 needed that rank to change settings. You can't change your own rank permissions. |
Originally Posted by Impish Kat
Snow Globe, in further testing, I came to a strange result.
In order to be able to change storage bin permissions, I had to be on a toon that was enabled with BOTH "Edit Rank" AND "Modify Base". |
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Originally Posted by Impish Kat
Using a toon that had only one or the other enabled, did not allow me to change the base permissions.
Can you verify if this is WAI? |
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Hmmm.... That may indeed be the factor.. will test later tonight.
and, Thank You
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Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, I seem to recall that the reason base salvage permissions went to only the Super Leader rank was due to player concerns that the wrong person might get access before someone could come around and change existing storage items.
It was deemed safer to set it to the top rank initially so that there would be fewer thefts.
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A couple of posts on the subject of of the Super Leader rank from around Issue 14 infer exactly that.
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My apologies for butting in here, but if storage items default to SL rank when placed, then why when I place new bins do they start with both SL and the second tier rank marked and not just SL? Should that not be or so?
| I know that the storage items default to the Super Leader rank because in a couple of groups I was using at Issue 13 needed that rank to change settings. You can't change your own rank permissions. |
the last time i placed storage bins they defaulted to super leader and leader (and neither could be changed)
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Sorry, what Necrotech said:|
Originally Posted by Pyber
My apologies for butting in here, but if storage items default to SL rank when placed, then why when I place new bins do they start with both SL and the second tier rank marked and not just SL? Should that not be or so?
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
the last time i placed storage bins they defaulted to super leader and leader (and neither could be changed)
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i placed new storage bins only like 2 months ago because i was expanding the workshop section of my base, other than that i havent done any other editing (i was mostly doing this cause of pre-issue boredom lol)
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I just ran a series of tests on the test server with the following results:|
Originally Posted by Impish Kat
In order to be able to change storage bin permissions, I had to be on a toon that was enabled with BOTH "Edit Rank" AND "Modify Base".
Using a toon that had only one or the other enabled, did not allow me to change the base permissions. Can you verify if this is WAI? |
- Placed storage bins initially only open to both Super Leader and Leader ranks.
- Super Leader can modify any rank's permissions to the storage item but their own. (WAI as you want to have SOMEONE with the ability to extract from storage).
- Leader can modify any lower rank's permission to the storage item. (Again, WAI, as you don't want to remove your own ability to access storage.)
- Leader with rank edit ability, but without base edit rights, can modify permissions of ranks lower than themselves.
- Leader with base edit rights, but without rank edit rights, can place a storage item, and while in base edit mode can change permissions, but they will not take effect.
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OOOOOkay... I did some more testing, using NON red-star toons.
Here's the roster I used: one of each rank (except bottom) below top & second leaders.
Here's the progression I used
and the results:
- A: Exemplar gets Modify only, Hero gets Edit Rank only, Sidekick gets both:
- Exemplar cannot edit any permissions
Hero can edit permissions below their own rank
Sidekick can edit permissions below their own rank
- B: Switch Exemplar & Hero settings, Sidekick gets none
- Exemplar can edit permissions below their own rank
Hero cannot edit any permissions
Sidekick cannot edit any permissions
C: Everyone gets Modify settings only
- Nobody can edit any permissions
D: Everyone gets Edit Rank settings
- Everyone can edit permissions below their respective ranks
So, it appears that editing permissions is related to which rank(s) has "Edit Rank Permissions" enabled in the SG settings, as opposed to having the "Modify Base" setting (as has been the thought all this time). Neither is it restricted to the red-star (unless you set it that way on purpose).
HOWEVER, I do recall those conversations about having the storage bins default to restricted use for Leader & Superleader when placed as a measure of security. If I recall, it was generally agreed that since the permissions would have to be adjusted either way, it was better to err on the side of security (as opposed to defaulting to open for all).
Also, to be clear, it has never, ever, been the case that one would be able to edit permissions/settings for their own rank. Leaders have always defaulted to all permissions, and any "captains/lieutenants" below the leader(s) that were given "Edit Rank" permissions were only allowed to edit the ranks BELOW their own. This has always been the case, and is WAI.
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This pretty much mirrors my findings.
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Originally Posted by Impish Kat
So, it appears that editing permissions is related to which rank(s) has "Edit Rank Permissions" enabled in the SG settings, as opposed to having the "Modify Base" setting (as has been the thought all this time). Neither is it restricted to the red-star (unless you set it that way on purpose).
HOWEVER, I do recall those conversations about having the storage bins default to restricted use for Leader & Superleader when placed as a measure of security. If I recall, it was generally agreed that since the permissions would have to be adjusted either way, it was better to err on the side of security (as opposed to defaulting to open for all). Also, to be clear, it has never, ever, been the case that one would be able to edit permissions/settings for their own rank. Leaders have always defaulted to all permissions, and any "captains/lieutenants" below the leader(s) that were given "Edit Rank" permissions were only allowed to edit the ranks BELOW their own. This has always been the case, and is WAI. |
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LoL, sorry, didn't mean to imply otherwise... more of a verification + documentation thing. |
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
This pretty much mirrors my findings.
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Curious about the bug, but if it's a detrimental exploit, it's probably best to keep it off the list so as not to advertise it. *thumbs up*
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Yes I'm pretty sure this is a bug. If the rank has the permission to edit the base they could very easily delete the salvage bin if they wanted to.
Point 2: WAI, duh. Someone of lower rank should never be able to affect a higher rank. That would be like saying that I could ban Mod08 from posting on these forums.
Point 3: See points 1 and 2.
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