Dual Boxing Emps


Crim_the_Cold

 

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I plan on Dual boxing Empaths on a server. Names HMO and PPO. I got two questions though.

1. Will my medical plan be complicated to play?

2. What secondaries pair best with empathy? (no dark tried that already eww)

Thanks for any help you can give.


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It rocks. It's insanely good.
Its a build that's full of little milestones - your effectiveness jumps dramatically with Fortitude, Recovery Aura, Regen Aura and AB, and with slotting each one.

I did it to level 39 and got bored because +4/x8 was not an option back then.
By then you can alternate auras and keep yourself AB'd at all times fro +1000% Recovery and Regen, and have 30-odd % Defence via Fortitude and Manouvers.
My attack chain became Tier2 and 3 blasts and AoEs, I think I ended up slotting Power bolt (my teir 1) as a set mule for Kinetic Crash, because I neevr used it at the Recharge rates I was operating at.

I played Empathy/Energy blast purely for concept, far from the most efficient set but it worked a treat. Emapthy/Sonic would be the most efficient as you stack your +69% damage (double Assault plus Fortitude) with large -Res's.

But anything will work. Its not complicated to play. Clear Mind/Fort/AB yourselves eevry 90 seconds, and fire off a pair of auras every time the last one drops. Its a lot easier than emp-ing for a team in terms of watching power refreshes.


 

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Originally Posted by DrMike2000 View Post
It rocks. It's insanely good.
Its a build that's full of little milestones - your effectiveness jumps dramatically with Fortitude, Recovery Aura, Regen Aura and AB, and with slotting each one.

I did it to level 39 and got bored because +4/x8 was not an option back then.
By then you can alternate auras and keep yourself AB'd at all times fro +1000% Recovery and Regen, and have 30-odd % Defence via Fortitude and Manouvers.
My attack chain became Tier2 and 3 blasts and AoEs, I think I ended up slotting Power bolt (my teir 1) as a set mule for Kinetic Crash, because I neevr used it at the Recharge rates I was operating at.

I played Empathy/Energy blast purely for concept, far from the most efficient set but it worked a treat. Emapthy/Sonic would be the most efficient as you stack your +69% damage (double Assault plus Fortitude) with large -Res's.

But anything will work. Its not complicated to play. Clear Mind/Fort/AB yourselves eevry 90 seconds, and fire off a pair of auras every time the last one drops. Its a lot easier than emp-ing for a team in terms of watching power refreshes.
I'd love to find out sometime but guessing even +4/x8 would be trivialized (and therefore become boring to most folks before too long) by a IO'd, build dedicated, Emp duo. In fact wouldn't terribly surprise me to find out a dedicated Emp duo using SO's would trivialize +4/x8 much less an IO'd pair.


 

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I'm kind of wavering between sonic and elec blast. I'm really not looking to trivialize +4/x8 though that would be kind of cool. I havent thought of epics yet though those would be a long way off. The other thing I'm wondering about is my ability to team with other players.


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Are you using a two or one computer setup?

I've played two Emps on the same computer. I used no 3rd party programs and truly played 2 CoH games at the same time. The duo is quite powerful though it was a little more demanding than I'd prefer. I wasn't able to sit back and simply enjoy the carnage like I am able to on some other combos.

From a pure power perspective it is hard to argue with Sonic Blast. Minus resistance really shows its might when fighting Elite Bosses and Archvillains. Empathy and most of the blast sets lack any enemy debuff potential. Sonic really shines. However, whatever blast set you pick will be awesome and effective. Assault Rifle could be on the list because AoE Knockback and high damage/long animation powers will be less demanding, user friendly and easier to play.

Teaming with other players wasn't too hard for me. I'd recommend letting them know you are two-boxing and saying, hopefully, that you will buff AND blast and your teammates probably won't notice you are a multiboxer. Just let them know that the occasional elevator will be your biggest hurdle.


 

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2 comps, 2 keyboards, 2 mice most people couldn't tell when I was dual boxing my traps defenders.


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Empathy and Traps play much differently on teams. Empathy powers want to be cast on different teammates every 30, 60, 90 or however many seconds. Traps doesn't have such frequent change of targets. Empathy has a high "maintenance" or "diligence" to run at full power. You want to cast Fortitude and Adrenalin Boost every time it recharges. When you are playing two Emps who have Hasten and AB each other, Fortitude recharges quite quickly. Even making it simple and double-forting the same person there is a lot of work involved in changing targets, executing the power, and then returning to original targeting setup.

With two computers you can use some outside programs to assist you in sending keystrokes to the 2nd instance of City of Heroes. I believe (you should double/triple check) that copying keystrokes is allowed. Something that automatically executes or creates the keystrokes on its own would not be allowed. You may find it useful to have a program send some of your keystrokes to the 2nd computer. Executing attack powers (so 1 press shoots from two guys) may be very helpful.

I was able to play 2 Emps on one computer while manually pressing every keystroke, individually, for each Emp character. However, it was a helluva lot of work.

Rating various setups and their effort...
Low Effort...
Playing a Force Field Mastermind alone...
Playing a Tank/Scrapper/Brutes alone...
Playing 2 Masterminds
Playing 3 Masterminds
Playing 2 Crab Soldiers
Playing 3 Crab Soldiers
Playing 1 Fire/Kinetics character on an 8 man team
Playing 2 Emp/Sonics.
...High effort

I'd put the two Traps toons somewhere around/above the Crabs. Emp/Sonics will probably be a lot more intense if you try to use their full buff/attack potential on a big team. Do-able, but requiring focus.


 

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Originally Posted by Crim_the_Cold View Post
I'm kind of wavering between sonic and elec blast. I'm really not looking to trivialize +4/x8 though that would be kind of cool. I havent thought of epics yet though those would be a long way off. The other thing I'm wondering about is my ability to team with other players.
Understood It was (is) more a thought as to the potential power of an Emp duo. As in you'll be looking for challenges by the late game.


 

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Emp duo math: 1 + 1 = 8. It's that good.


 

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I come back to this?!

Thank god corruptors have storm.


 

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Welcome back. Storm still sucks.



 

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Maybe on Virtue it does.


 

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Storm is awesome if one or both of the below applies:

1. You understand when, where, and how to use its KB powers.

2. You have some way to prevent KB.

Also demon summoning has grabbed my attention for the time being. Still plan on playing my emp duo but I gotta play with the new shiny for a bit.


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Originally Posted by Crim_the_Cold View Post
I'm kind of wavering between sonic and elec blast. I'm really not looking to trivialize +4/x8 though that would be kind of cool. I havent thought of epics yet though those would be a long way off. The other thing I'm wondering about is my ability to team with other players.
Two Emp/Elec is probably safety overkill.

Being able to Short Circuit x2 and drain an entire mob is a nice trick, and would work really well for say a Kin/Elec duo.

When you have moderately good defence (eg SO'd SR scrapper level including Psi) and insane +Regen, you don't really care if the mobs are drained. At worse, they'll be running to the four winds instead of beating on your invulnerbale regenerating hide(s).

Considering Elec Blast sacrifices a bit of damage for end drain, I'd avoid this combo for an emp duo.


 

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I wonder, once I get this duo leveled up, if people would be willing to pay for a street sweeping god mode. 2xAB, 2xfort, heals when you still manage to get yourself hurt. I know I'll be offering it to SG members for free but I gotta wonder just how fast you could level up if you had that amount of buffing backing you up.


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Originally Posted by Crim_the_Cold View Post
Storm is awesome if one or both of the below applies:

1. You understand when, where, and how to use its KB powers.

2. You have some way to prevent KB.

Also demon summoning has grabbed my attention for the time being. Still plan on playing my emp duo but I gotta play with the new shiny for a bit.
If you know #1, then #2 is moot if you can put the foes where you want them. Working as a team is often as important as working under the dictates of a player that dogmatically follows a single line of attack.


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Originally Posted by Crim_the_Cold View Post
I wonder, once I get this duo leveled up, if people would be willing to pay for a street sweeping god mode. 2xAB, 2xfort, heals when you still manage to get yourself hurt. I know I'll be offering it to SG members for free but I gotta wonder just how fast you could level up if you had that amount of buffing backing you up.
I tried this one on a lone 50 empath, taking some SG-mate into the Hollows to level him up, and it wasn't as stellar as I thought. Adding a second empath really just adds another +31% Damage and +100% Recharge, since you're effectively invuilnerable and hitting 95% of the time anyway with one.

You'd be better off taking people into +3/x8 missions with you and wiping the floor with the bad guys together, that would give much better XP. Plus you get chances for Purple drops that way...


 

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Originally Posted by DrMike2000 View Post
I tried this one on a lone 50 empath, taking some SG-mate into the Hollows to level him up, and it wasn't as stellar as I thought. Adding a second empath really just adds another +31% Damage and +100% Recharge, since you're effectively invuilnerable and hitting 95% of the time anyway with one.

You'd be better off taking people into +3/x8 missions with you and wiping the floor with the bad guys together, that would give much better XP. Plus you get chances for Purple drops that way...
No, no, nooooo, it adds 60% damage (another Assault in the mix as well as the Fort) :P

Perhaps if the "street" in question was the deck of the Mothership *giggle*


 

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Okay not gonna try teaming again. All the problems I've had on teams before with an empath x 2 is not my idea of fun. I let the team know I was dual-boxing. First thing as soon as the mission starts Scrapper A starts asking for fort non-stop. When my emps fort each other he goes off. "Noob why did you buff your empaths first?" By this time a blaster, who must think he's a scrapper, has already aggroed a spawn and faceplants. "Why didn't you heal me? Rez plz" Scrapper A is doing the buff me dance aka jumping up and down in front of me. Scrapper B apologizes for the other scrapper in a tell. The team leader, another blaster, tells me not to use my attacks and "just heal noob". The tank has gone off and aggroed another spawn and is shouting for heals and the troller quits during all this mess. I think I found Empath Hell.

Long story short PUG=bad. Scrapper B and I ended up leaving and teaming together. We end up focus firing and killing just about anything we come across. Worked much better.


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Originally Posted by Crim_the_Cold View Post
I think I found Empath Hell.

Long story short PUG=bad.
yeah, going into PUG with an emp makes for a high risk of dealing with stupid.

I don't PUG too much with the emp anymore, but back in the day, i put up with a lot of "heal meh!" dooshies. Nowadays, i just do TFs and hami raids, usually with stable people.


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Someone has to play with those PuG teams though. Scrapper B from above was not a veteran player, he was new to the game from Aion. A lot of those PuG players are new players who's only experience may be either AE or PuG teams. Gotta find the good newbies and teach them more about the game and show them bad PuGs and AE aren't the only things going for it.

I think I will probably just form my own PuG team when I'm on my emps that way I can keep the team midsized where I can handle it better.


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Originally Posted by Crim_the_Cold View Post
Someone has to play with those PuG teams though. Scrapper B from above was not a veteran player, he was new to the game from Aion. A lot of those PuG players are new players who's only experience may be either AE or PuG teams. Gotta find the good newbies and teach them more about the game and show them bad PuGs and AE aren't the only things going for it.
that is true, but nowadays I run PUGs with scrappers, tanks or blasters. If there's a real need, i'll switch over, but i find the number of n00b commands are significantly less with those ATs.


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.... "Noob why did you buff your empaths first?"...I think I found Empath Hell.... Long story short PUG=bad.
I recommend Emp/Sonic, if I haven't already somewhere in this thread. Even back in i7 to i9 SO only days, the Green Machine Duo/Trio concept rocked, by the mid to late teens, IF and only IF, you focus fire and work as a team, you'll surpass an equal level scrapper Pair/Trio.

When I was running a Green Machine based trio and duo it was incredibly difficult to join "normal pug groups". I either had to run my own teams, or just stick to only those three players we were all running together. Unfortunately, at the time, I wasn't on a RO server, I was only using their general idea on my own server and my own RP based SG. To be honest, I couldn't even run that trio with a lot of SG mates, they just didn't understand. Eventually the rest of the trio left the game and I permanently shelved the project. A few issues later, I purged them, all my emps, and all but 5 or 6 characters. I no longer play emps, at all, ever. I may, or may not, some day join a newer wave of Green Machine Revival with RO on a RO server, otherwise I'll never touch another emp.

How's that for jaded.


 

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Actually I'm playing two Emp/Sonics. The combo is insanely powerful. I easily outdamage any scrapper pair. Its the first time I've experienced scrapperlock outside of a melee toon. Siren's song to sleep all non-bosses. Focus fire on any boss standing. They usually last about 1-2 whole ST attack chains. Then take out the remaining enemies. I can only imagine how BS the combo is gonna be once I reach AB, Screech, and Dreadful Wail.

It'd be kind of fun to see what a lvl 50 elec/shield scrapper could do with 2xAB, 2xfort, 2xassault. I know I started laughing like an evil maniac when I got just AB and RA on a blaster once and realized that nothing I could do would ever make me run out of endurance. Of course that was back near when I first started playing the game and I got invited to join a Praetorian AV run.


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