Returning player noob Qs


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Ok each person is telling me something different so I need clarification. I stayed away for 1.5 year from CoX and I used to IO my toons at 50, I am now looking to do this at 35.

So, numbered questions

1) The Miracle/Stealth/Numina/Kismet work as procs right, the 120 sec rule? Meaning, if I slot a 50 Numina unique on health at 20, and I exemplar to 18 or so I'll have the numina regen/recov bonus. Is that right? I know my 50 stealth proc on sprint works at any level I'm exemped.

2) The LoTG unique works as a set bonus so if I'm correct about Numina/etc, then the a 50 LoTG won't give the 7.5% rech if I'm exemped below 47, right?

3) People are telling me that greyed out powers' set bonuses count. So say I have a lvl 35 Crushing Impact set in my firekin's Seismic Smash (lvl 44 power) and I'm exemped to 32, obviously losing the S. Smash power. People in channels are telling me the bonuses from the Crushing Impact set would still work at 32, and that a 35 LoTG +rech would also work exemped at 32 slotted in rock armor (lvl 47 power). Is this true? Because if that's the case I'll always IO my toons with 35s when possible, because I'd have all the bonuses from all the sets from lvl 32 onwards.

4) What about a proc slotted in a late power? Like a Miracle +recov in Physical Perfection. If I lose the power, I lose the proc right, so it wouldnt work exemped even if it were a lvl 20 miracle.

Sorry for so many questions, I'm in respec-frenzy mode because of i17 and need to make sure of a few things


 

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Originally Posted by Kioshi View Post
1) The Miracle/Stealth/Numina/Kismet work as procs right, the 120 sec rule? Meaning, if I slot a 50 Numina unique on health at 20, and I exemplar to 18 or so I'll have the numina regen/recov bonus. Is that right? I know my 50 stealth proc on sprint works at any level I'm exemped.
Correct.

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2) The LoTG unique works as a set bonus so if I'm correct about Numina/etc, then the a 50 LoTG won't give the 7.5% rech if I'm exemped below 47, right?
Correct. This is true of all "global" bonuses. Basically, if it doesn't say "chance of" or "for X seconds", and/or it appears in your "Set Bonus" list on your powers tab, it's a global bonus and it follows set bonus exemplar rules.

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3) People are telling me that greyed out powers' set bonuses count. So say I have a lvl 35 Crushing Impact set in my firekin's Seismic Smash (lvl 44 power) and I'm exemped to 32, obviously losing the S. Smash power. People in channels are telling me the bonuses from the Crushing Impact set would still work at 32, and that a 35 LoTG +rech would also work exemped at 32 slotted in rock armor (lvl 47 power). Is this true? Because if that's the case I'll always IO my toons with 35s when possible, because I'd have all the bonuses from all the sets from lvl 32 onwards.
It's true.

Edit: You might not know exemplar rules changed. You now keep your powers as if you were 5 levels higher than the level you exemplar to. For example, if you exemplar to level 15 for a Positron TF, you will keep powers as if you are level 20. Sadly, this does not apply to your set and global bonuses - they still stop working if you exemplar more than 3 levels below the IO's level.

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4) What about a proc slotted in a late power? Like a Miracle +recov in Physical Perfection. If I lose the power, I lose the proc right, so it wouldnt work exemped even if it were a lvl 20 miracle.
Since a power you lose can no longer be activated, yes, you lose access to the benefit of any procs in that power, even it it's one of the procs that feels like it's "always on", like a Miracle slotted in Health.

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Sorry for so many questions, I'm in respec-frenzy mode because of i17 and need to make sure of a few things
That's one of the things the forums are for.


Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA

 

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Thank you so much for the answers Uber! I only still have a doubt.

Question 3. Say my firekin has a set of crushing impacts on seismic which he picked at lvl 44 and a lotg in rock armor at 47. All the IOs are level 20 for example, but placed on 40+ powers. If he does a synapse, will I get the set bonuses from those 'lost' powers?

So can i have a fully working build if I use 30 IOs when exemped at level 27? I always thought the greyed out powers dont count. And people are till arguinng in the channels about that, sorry I didnt quite understand. I'm aware of the 5 powers you get now when exemplaring but this IO question on high level powers is still making me wonder.


 

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Set Bonuses and Exemplaring

When a character exemplars down to a lower level access to set bonuses (and Global IOs that function as set bonuses) is based on the level of the IO and not the power they are slotted in. Exemplaring more than three levels below the level of the IOs renders the set bonuses non-functional. However as long as the character does not exemplar more than three levels below the level of the IO the set bonuses are retained even if the power they are slotted in is unavailable.
Very Rare IOs and PvP IOs are exempt from this rule, the set bonuses function regardless of what level the character is exemplared to.



http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Table_of_Special_IOs

Globals are Special IOs that act like Set Bonuses in that they are always on even if the power isn't activated and even if the power is greyed out because of exemplaring! However, the one thing that will shut off a Global IO is exemplaring more than three levels under the level of that Global IO. If the Global is from a PvP Set, then it is excepted from the under-exemplaring rule and will never shut off from exemplaring.
Procs require the power they are in to be activated in order to work. In a click power, they go off once with every click. In a passive power or active toggle, they continuously pulse on once every 10 seconds per target. Certain pseudo-pet powers will inherit the proc and if they fire off for a set duration, the Proc has a chance to pulse several times (once every 10 seconds) during that period.

  • Procs which are labeled Proc120s will continue to be active for 120 seconds after the power is shut off.
  • Obviously, if you are exemplaring and the power the Proc is in is greyed out, then you can't get the benefit of the Proc. However, the upside of Procs is that they continue to work even if you exemplar way below their level. E.g., a level 50 Stealth in Sprint will work even if exemplared to level 10.


 

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LOL, if those are noob questions, i'd hate to see what you consider veteran questions.


 

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Originally Posted by Kioshi View Post
Thank you so much for the answers Uber! I only still have a doubt.

Question 3. Say my firekin has a set of crushing impacts on seismic which he picked at lvl 44 and a lotg in rock armor at 47. All the IOs are level 20 for example, but placed on 40+ powers. If he does a synapse, will I get the set bonuses from those 'lost' powers?
Yes. Here's an example for you from live servers. It's not a wonderful example, but it's the one case I can come up with easily where I lose a power but am still in range for my IOs.

I have a Scrapper who has Maneuvers, taken in the late 40s, with a level 38 and a level 40 Gift of the Ancient IOs slotted in it. I also have a pair of level 40s in Weave. Those two pairs should give me two Moderate Recovery Bonuses, which is two times a 2% recovery bonus.

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Enhancement screen snippet

When I exemplar to level 39, I lose Maneuvers, but not Weave. However, as you can see on my Combat Attributes Window, I have listed 0.07% recovery in "Moderate Improved Recovery Bonus". If I do the math, two 2% recovery bonuses is 0.04 * 3%/5sec = 0.0666666 %/sec, which should display as 0.07%/sec. That's what we see in the monitor. Corroborating evidence is that I have two Moderate Improved Recovery Bonus entries under my "Set Bonuses" list on the "Powers" tab of my "Personal Info" display.

So hopefully this shows that you do maintain set bonuses even from greyed-out powers.

Edit: I didn't post my whole build, but I did review to make sure that the GotA's are the only "Moderate" recovery bonuses the character has. In other words, I still have the same Moderate bonus values you see in the screenshots when I'm at my native level of 50.


Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA

 

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That was perfect Uberguy, thanks! I'm happy my firekin will be able to ex to 32 and keep all his recharge and def and stuff.

My Mind/Emp will suffer but I played everything in the game with her but 2 shard TFs (Faathim and some other - yes I did the horrible horrible Dr Q) so I'll only do high end stuff with her but she has some purps in case (and confuse is slotted with 30 Malaise IOs) and I'll go from 86% to 40% rech, no biggie. When she had 60% rech she was already a PITA lol, too much buffing and controlling and things recharging too fast like Fort, Mass Hyp, Terrify, extremely busy toon to play.

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Originally Posted by Morbid Star View Post
LOL, if those are noob questions, i'd hate to see what you consider veteran questions.
Oh Morbid I called then 'noob' because I played for 2 years before stopping for one, and I have 4 or 5 tricked out toons, but I always used lvl 50 enhancements. But they're not really 'noobish' as I caused quite the argument between very experienced players in the R. Offenders and Freedom channels when asking about this lol.


 

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On the IOs I have to check the wiki all the time to confirm which are globals and which aren't before I buy one. I remember the -kbs and stealth but for some reason I can't remember any of the others.


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Oh Gavin, good point about the -KB IOs. If I slot some KB IO in Super Speed at level 49 will it work in a Positron? It doesn't work as a proc (120 seconds), maybe as set bonus like LoTG? Or will it work anyway at level 5 slotted in a 49 power?

(I think it's the last question I have lol)


 

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Originally Posted by Kioshi View Post
Oh Gavin, good point about the -KB IOs. If I slot some KB IO in Super Speed at level 49 will it work in a Positron? It doesn't work as a proc (120 seconds), maybe as set bonus like LoTG? Or will it work anyway at level 5 slotted in a 49 power?

(I think it's the last question I have lol)
The KB protection special IOs (all three versions) are "globals" - they act like set bonuses. This means that they stop functioning if you exemplar more than 3 levels beneath the IO level, but not just if you slot them in a power that you lose.


Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA

 

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Originally Posted by Morbid Star View Post
LOL, if those are noob questions, i'd hate to see what you consider veteran questions.
I don't consider myself a noob, and I learned two things reading this.

1. I slotted my fire blast power on my latest scrapper with Thunderstrike IOs in the 39-42 range, because they were readily available and because I figured it's a level 44 power, I'm not going to have use of it if I exemplar below level 39. Nearly all my other IOs are slotted in the 30-33 range to take better advantage of exemplar situations. Now I know that I should go back and replace those with 30-33 IOs. ^_^

2. I have a bid in for a low-level Celerity stealth IO. Now I know I can just buy one at level 50 and not worry about it not working for me. ^_^



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