Defense question - confused between a few labels
By
Dechs Kaison,
Posted on: 2010-04-03 09:31 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Not to answer my own questions, But is this link correct as of today's date ?
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=185167
IF so, then I understand I am covered with the damage types.
1. Why Soft Cap is Important : http://dechskaison.blogspot.com/2011...important.html
2. Limits: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Limits
3. Attack Mechanics: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics
4. Rule of Five: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Rule_o...e_Law_of_Fives
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Defense
That should answer most of your questions.
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Originally Posted by plainguy
I understand the magic number is 45%
What I am suddenly getting confused with is the difference between Melee, Ranged, AOE and all the other Defenses Smashing, lethal, Fire, Cold, Energy, Negative, and Psionic If someone hit me with a ranged fire attack. Would I be reading for Ranged or Fire or Both ? What is the difference between the 2 ( fire and ranged ) for example ? I am working with Mids builder and I started to look at my Robot FF MM build and noticed I have 140 % to 150 % defense in the 7 types of damage. But Ranged and AOE are 30's and Melee is 20s.. Do I need to kick up my AOE, Ranged and Melee or are my other 7 damage type defense covering me. Am I over the top with the 7 damage types ? I read up on defenses but I am missing info on the damage types or just not reading the correct write ups on these types of defenses. I'm just a bit confused now and trying to get back on track with all of this Any help or insight or link would be appreciated. |
The short version of the explanation:
Most (as in like 98%) attacks have two flags attached to them: a position and a type of damage. (keep in mind some attacks have more than on type of damage).
When that attack is triggered, the system will check to see which you have a higher defense to (position or type). The system will use the higher value to determine whether or not you get hit.
- Example. Fire Sword has the following flags: Melee_Attack, Lethal_Attack, Fire_Attack.
- Assume you have 30% melee defense, 10% lethal defense, and 15% fire defense. The system will ignore the lethal and fire defense and use the melee defense to determine if you get hit.
- Assume you have 20% lethal defense, 45% fire defense, and 10% melee defense. The system will ignore the lethal and melee defense and use the fire defense to determine if you get hit.
- Assume you have 45% ranged defense, 45% AoE defense, 5% lethal and 5% fire defense. The system will ignore the ranged and AoE defense and use the fire or lethal defense (same value so in this scenario you're basically screwed).
For an accurate and thorough explanation you need to understand Arcanaville's The full tohit formula:
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| Bounded[ NetToHit = (InherentAttackAccuracy) * (1 + AccuracyEnhancement) * Bounded[ BaseToHit + ToHitBuffs - ToHitDebuffs - (Defense - DefenseDebuffs) ] ] |
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The exceptions you're most likely to encounter are toxic damage (there's no toxic defense type, so you can only defend against it using position defenses) and certain mental attacks (which have the Psionic damage type, but no position flag).
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Originally Posted by Desmodos
Most (as in like 98%) attacks have two flags attached to them: a position and a type of damage.
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There are a couple of powers which only have a 'positional' vector (off the top of my head, I believe Siphon Power is in this group), and not all powers without a 'positional' vector use Psionic_Attack (IIRC, Fearsome Stare uses Negative_Attack only)
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Originally Posted by Katie V
The exceptions you're most likely to encounter are toxic damage (there's no toxic defense type, so you can only defend against it using position defenses) and certain mental attacks (which have the Psionic damage type, but no position flag).
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Yep, that link's up to date. |
Originally Posted by plainguy
Not to answer my own questions, But is this link correct as of today's date ?
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=185167 IF so, then I understand I am covered with the damage types. |
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If you really have that high of defense, personnal force field might be clicked. And while it's up you can't attack or command your pets. Just to make sure you don't think you'll always be softcapped to everything.|
Originally Posted by plainguy
I am working with Mids builder and I started to look at my Robot FF MM build and noticed I have 140 % to 150 % defense in the 7 types of damage. But Ranged and AOE are 30's and Melee is 20s.. Do I need to kick up my AOE, Ranged and Melee or are my other 7 damage type defense covering me. Am I over the top with the 7 damage types ?
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(Though...with personnal force field, positionnal defense should also be high.)
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PFF is probably clicked and its probably in PVP mode, make sure to untoggle PFF and switch to PVE mode (top right corner).
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Originally Posted by FireWyvern
If you really have that high of defense, personnal force field might be clicked. And while it's up you can't attack or command your pets. Just to make sure you don't think you'll always be softcapped to everything.
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I understand the magic number is 45%
What I am suddenly getting confused with is the difference between Melee, Ranged, AOE and all the other Defenses Smashing, lethal, Fire, Cold, Energy, Negative, and Psionic
If someone hit me with a ranged fire attack. Would I be reading for Ranged or Fire or Both ?
What is the difference between the 2 ( fire and ranged ) for example ?
I am working with Mids builder and I started to look at my Robot FF MM build and noticed I have 140 % to 150 % defense in the 7 types of damage. But Ranged and AOE are 30's and Melee is 20s.. Do I need to kick up my AOE, Ranged and Melee or are my other 7 damage type defense covering me. Am I over the top with the 7 damage types ?
I read up on defenses but I am missing info on the damage types or just not reading the correct write ups on these types of defenses. I'm just a bit confused now and trying to get back on track with all of this
Any help or insight or link would be appreciated.
1. Why Soft Cap is Important : http://dechskaison.blogspot.com/2011...important.html
2. Limits: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Limits
3. Attack Mechanics: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics
4. Rule of Five: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Rule_o...e_Law_of_Fives