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Don't let it go. You still haven't learned. I didn't say it because I was trying to be inflammatory. I was telling you BECAUSE IT'S TRUE! The fact that you posted the inflammatory comment and the fact that I put it back in your face should tell you as much.|
Originally Posted by Silas_Gray
Major, I once considered you a friend so I will let that go. But I'm tired of accepting BS from a server that rarely accepts anyone who doesn't fit in.
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Until you accept it, learn how to deal with it, and fix yourself, it will still be true.
"Goodbye, Jean-Luc. I'm gonna miss you... you had such potential. But then again, all good things must come to an end..." -- Q
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This is degenerating into silly nonsense that I can see coming from a mile off. Point made Major. I should have never said anything to stir the pot because the collective is always right. How could I forget.
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Originally Posted by Major_T
Don't let it go. You still haven't learned. I didn't say it because I was trying to be inflammatory. I was telling you BECAUSE IT'S TRUE! The fact that you posted the inflammatory comment and the fact that I put it back in your face should tell you as much.
Until you accept it, learn how to deal with it, and fix yourself, it will still be true. |
You pay to play. Having fun is ok. Kill Skuls or kill Crey. Hunt at night or in the day. Black or white or shades of grey. Play it your way. We have no say.
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Psychic poster is psychic.|
Originally Posted by Silas_Gray
This is degenerating into silly nonsense that I can see coming from a mile off.
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| I should have never said anything to stir the pot because the collective is always right. How could I forget. |
Oh, give Silas a break. The boy just wants some attention.
If somebody you're arguing with goes off the deep end, don't follow.
Let me be clear. The above visual joke is aimed at the idea of dragging up a thread that's been
dormant for a full season on the calender. Resurrecting the thread at all was unnecessary, adding
a verbal slap in the face to most anyone who reads it, well that points to the intent and motivations
of the one who resurrected the thread in the first place.
And yes, I get bonus points for the run-on sentence, thanks.
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Silly nonsense? Consider how it got started.|
Originally Posted by Silas_Gray
This is degenerating into silly nonsense that I can see coming from a mile off. Point made Major. I should have never said anything to stir the pot because the collective is always right. How could I forget.
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You can see coming from a mile off? Consider the post (and poster) that was the catalyst. Did you really think that calling the server cliquish and socially inept was going to ingraciate yourself to the server's population?
Collective being right? I pointed it out. Not the "collective". I acted of my own iniative. Not the collective. Appealing to the "public" that you just insulted? Think about that... you just said the population server was "bad", I called you on it, and now you're appealing to the same population. Where is the sense in that?
Why are you trying to position yourself as the victim following an inflammatory post that you made?
Don't answer that last question. It was rhetorical.
"Goodbye, Jean-Luc. I'm gonna miss you... you had such potential. But then again, all good things must come to an end..." -- Q
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Now why would you go and lie about yourself like that, T? It's unbecoming of you.|
Originally Posted by Major_T
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
I'm not a good man, but I'm not going to let this stand. |
But you're misusing that quote. It would have made sense if he could actually DO something to us, but unless he can rally a group of players to make our play sessions cumbersome in some way, he's just blowing hot air. If we had just ignored Silas, there would have been no impact. He's one person, with next to no influence in our community.
But we did react... Now, he bears a significant mark of shame for daring to speak against us...
It's amazing the reaction people have in the absence of sticks and stones.
I'm not defending Silas, though. What he did was foolish. We already aired the concerns of cliques and apparent "disquiet" in the server earlier in the thread, so even though he had a semi-valid point, we already hashed it out. It was pointless.
If you want to make a point, Silas, try to do it without saying the community is a "squalid pit of cliques and social retardation." You certainly won't be getting cookies or muffins after a statement like that. I learned that lesson myself just a little over a month ago.
I'm just stating that this reaction, arguing with a guy who admitted to not maintaining a presence in our community, is unbecoming of us (Bye-bye, cool points... It was nice having you). We're not settling any issue, we're just defending our grazed egos. At worst, we've been scratched.
Are we really so itching for a fight?
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Look at that. A full-grown woman pulling off pigtails. Her crazy is off the charts.
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Yeah, but the LULZ were totally worth it.. ::chuckles at the spools of thread::
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Originally Posted by Ice9_
Let me be clear. The above visual joke is aimed at the idea of dragging up a thread that's been dormant for a full season on the calender. Resurrecting the thread at all was unnecessary, adding a verbal slap in the face to most anyone who reads it, well that points to the intent and motivations of the one who resurrected the thread in the first place. And yes, I get bonus points for the run-on sentence, thanks. |
I didn’t initially reply to Silas because others far more eloquent than I expressed themselves quite clearly.
It’s no secret that I am passionate about this server, but I didn’t see the point of further inflaming a bonfire.
Grey, your original request for restraint was a good thought... but it was really futile. Silas could not have made a worse choice for how to express himself... it was inevitable that we would strike back. It is the one downfall of making grand gestures and pronouncements - you forget that people will RESPOND.
I guess, for me, I was also reluctant to respond to Silas because I knew what he meant - which was something quite different from what he said.
I remember Silas when he first popped onto Protector. I assumed at the time that he was just young, but since he doesn’t seem to have... ah... matured since then, perhaps youth wasn’t the original problem.
Silas saw the friendships we have here, some that have taken literally years to form, and he want to be instantly accepted, he wanted to be one of the people that everyone listens to and greets happily, without realizing that every one of those people was once the new kid and that they had to get to know people before they achieved their “status” - for lack of a better word. I actually talked to him many many times, telling him that it takes time... just settle down and give people a chance to accept him. But like anyone too overeager, his anxious need for instant acceptance and popularity put people off, like a muddy great dane puppy jumping up on your work clothes. No amount of reassurance that he should just give it time helped, and then he was gone, convinced that it wasn’t him or anything he’d done, it was us.
He’s reappeared a few times since then, obviously hoping for a chorus of “Yay! You’re back! We missed you!” Unfortunately, either people don’t remember him at all, or remember the previous drama. Either way, he never got the response he wanted.
A few days ago, we got another “I’m back!”... to which he got no response at all. And that is likely what prompted his surprise attack here.
His comment, however, inflammatory and poorly thought out, really just meant, “I’m hurt that I couldn’t figure out how to be instantly accepted as one of the most well-liked and respected members of this community, therefor I am lashing out at you.”
There’s a lot of ways he could have tried to handle his issues, but launching a salvo of Trident missiles at us was not the way to go, and of COURSE people reacted. Of COURSE they did.
I have said many times, and I will continue to say it, that all you have to do to be accepted on this server is “Participate and don’t be an ***.” I suppose, now that I consider the tragic story of Silas, I should add, “...and give it some time.”
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But he didn't "speak against us," like he was having a problem, Grey. That would have been, "Look guys, I left Prot because of stuff like this, we need to fix some stuff and some of you may be the problem" when the thread was current. He didn't. He came out swinging with, "People on the server are a bunch of retards." He bears the mark of shame for that. I may not like other servers, but I don't go to their forums in their "How Do We Make It Different" threads and call them squalid pits. There has to be an element of respect or humor in speaking truth to power, and his post had neither.|
Originally Posted by Mr_Grey
But we did react... Now, he bears a significant mark of shame for daring to speak against us...
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| We already aired the concerns of cliques and apparent "disquiet" in the server earlier in the thread, so even though he had a semi-valid point, we already hashed it out. It was pointless. |
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| If you want to make a point, Silas, try to do it without saying the community is a "squalid pit of cliques and social retardation." You certainly won't be getting cookies or muffins after a statement like that. |
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| I'm just stating that this reaction, arguing with a guy who admitted to not maintaining a presence in our community, is unbecoming of us (Bye-bye, cool points... It was nice having you). We're not settling any issue, we're just defending our grazed egos. At worst, we've been scratched. |
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I'm sure my stance will surprise some people... then again maybe not.
I've been on both ends of this kind of discussion... having been angry and hurt and said things I shouldn't.... as well as defending Protector and it's people and my friends.
Major T is one of THE nicest people I've ever known online. It's been my experience it takes a LOT for him to lose his cool. So for him to be so angry... tells me much. And T, your full of it... you are definately a good man.
Sooner I think expressed it best and most accurately, but I'm throwing in my 2 cents anyway.
It amazes me how anyone posts a flat out insult, meant to hurt and anger, then acts surprised when people are hostile. And even worse, THEN stand there and go "See, I told you they were anti-social". Well, let's see... you insulted the super leader of PC and most of the active people on the server. What did you expect? Chocolates and roses? A big hearty.. "Oh we're so glad your back", when you were rarely welcome (because of this selfsame behavior) before you left?
Silas, you accomplished what you set out to do... piss people off and get attention. Insult others because of your own hurt and/or anger. Did you expect any one of us to like you better and go "Oh your right, we're retards" and then welcome you back?
It's been my humble experience that, people who do this sort of thing... blaming their having been ostracized on the people of the server/SG/VG/Channel/whatever.... are usually to blame themselves with their own behavior, and at no time do they ever acknowledge that fact.
Basically, did you ever consider the fact you weren't welcomed back, or brought "into the fold" to start with, because of your own behavior? No, I thought not.
Mostly... I just feel sorry for you. And for me personally, I won't give you or your opinions another thought. I have more real life concerns that require my time and energy right now.
Whether I'm here all the time or not, please let it be known, I still consider myself a Protectorite.
PS: Love the poster, Ice.
Alright stop trying to pull a Victor Frankenstein and bring back some dead! Even if it is with old Drama Llama body parts.... Back to the dead with this thread.
You changed your post to remove the inflammatory remarks.
That's a step in the right direction.
"Goodbye, Jean-Luc. I'm gonna miss you... you had such potential. But then again, all good things must come to an end..." -- Q