You're good so far. If you theoretically slotted one more set of Posi's Blast you would be at the max for that set bonus. If you added a Crushing Impact and a Red Fortune, you'd be at the max for the 5% rech bonus. It doesn't matter how many recharge bonuses you have so long as you have no more than 5 of each specific numerical bonus. 5 5%s, 5 6.25%s, 5 7.5%s (I think LotGs 7.5%s are a different bonus), etc.
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Your last statement is correct. You cannot get the same numerical IO set bonus more than five times, no matter where it comes from. For example, if you had four sets of Positron's Blast slotted and a full set of Efficacy Adapter, you could not get another 6.25% recharge bonus from any other set. However, if you had another set slotted that gave a 5% bonus, that one would be unaffected.
I love hearing what I want to hear!!! I'll just keep on keeping on then, thanks again for the verification!
It's also important to remember that what matters at the end of the day is the bonus name. For general purposes just the size of the bonus is sufficient but there are exceptions. The standard example is that the Luck of the Gambler global IO gives a 7.5% recharge bonus but it is different from the Huge Recharge Bonus (also a 7.5% bonus) given by some sets (i.e. Kinetic Crash).
The other (minor) complication is with Defense bonuses. Almost all defense bonuses (the exceptions are a handful that boost Psionic defense) actually boost three different defense types (one positional, two typed). For the purposes of rule of five you want to just consider the larger of the values since that is what the name is based on. For example consider the sets Curtail Speed and Impeded Swiftness. Both boost smashing and lethal defense by 1.25%. However Curtail Speed has a bonus called Tiny Lethal/Smashing/Melee Defense while Impeded Swiftness has a bonus called Moderate Melee/Lethal/Smashing Defense (names might not be 100% correct, I know the basic form but can't recall the exact wording, the basic difference in the form are correct though). Essentially for defense bonuses just use the portion of the bonus with the largest magnitude for determining rule of five violations.
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Not quite. You can't get more than 5 copies of a bonus with the same name.|
Originally Posted by Godpants
Your last statement is correct. You cannot get the same numerical IO set bonus more than five times, no matter where it comes from.
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That's 5 each of Small, Moderate, Large, Huge, Ultimate, and Luck of the Gambler.
This is relevant because Huge and Luck of the Gambler both grant 7.5% recharge, but since they have different names, you can have up to 5 of each and be in the clear.
Note that when I say "names", I mean the names of the bonus, not the set that grants the bonus. Check your Attributes Monitor to see the names of the bonuses.
EDIT: Weird, when I posted this reply, Adeon's response wasn't there, even though he posted it almost an hour and a half before me....
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oh ok, I get it. I was readin on that too on P-wiki but you explained it better lol. As a corr, I only have manuvers and shadow fall for defense, but that's good to know for my io'd brute, and whatever small bonuses are coming from the other powers, thanks!
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
It's also important to remember that what matters at the end of the day is the bonus name. For general purposes just the size of the bonus is sufficient but there are exceptions. The standard example is that the Luck of the Gambler global IO gives a 7.5% recharge bonus but it is different from the Huge Recharge Bonus (also a 7.5% bonus) given by some sets (i.e. Kinetic Crash).
The other (minor) complication is with Defense bonuses. Almost all defense bonuses (the exceptions are a handful that boost Psionic defense) actually boost three different defense types (one positional, two typed). For the purposes of rule of five you want to just consider the larger of the values since that is what the name is based on. For example consider the sets [url;=http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Curtail_Speed]Curtail Speed[/url] and Impeded Swiftness. Both boost smashing and lethal defense by 1.25%. However Curtail Speed has a bonus called Tiny Lethal/Smashing/Melee Defense while Impeded Swiftness has a bonus called Moderate Melee/Lethal/Smashing Defense (names might not be 100% correct, I know the basic form but can't recall the exact wording, the basic difference in the form are correct though). Essentially for defense bonuses just use the portion of the bonus with the largest magnitude for determining rule of five violations. |
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Still, your input is as well helpful. Man where would I be without the forums......probably 6-slotted with common Damage io's, that's what lol.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
Not quite. You can't get more than 5 copies of a bonus with the same name.
That's 5 each of Small, Moderate, Large, Huge, Ultimate, and Luck of the Gambler. This is relevant because Huge and Luck of the Gambler both grant 7.5% recharge, but since they have different names, you can have up to 5 of each and be in the clear. Note that when I say "names", I mean the names of the bonus, not the set that grants the bonus. Check your Attributes Monitor to see the names of the bonuses. EDIT: Weird, when I posted this reply, Adeon's response wasn't there, even though he posted it almost an hour and a half before me.... |
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Want to know the sad part? I wrote the explanation of defense bonuses on Paragon wiki as well |
Originally Posted by beyeajus74018
oh ok, I get it. I was readin on that too on P-wiki but you explained it better lol. As a corr, I only have manuvers and shadow fall for defense, but that's good to know for my io'd brute, and whatever small bonuses are coming from the other powers, thanks!
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. I should probably re-write it to try and clear it up.
I IO'd out my FB/DM corr recently. Then I saw a thread that mentioned within something about the rule of 5. "Rule of 5?!" I thought, this must be one of the only things that I have not learned yet, so off to paragon wiki for info.
"While a character can slot the same (full or partial) set multiple times in different powers, he cannot benefit from more than five copies of each named set bonus of the exact same attribute and amount. This is a stronger restriction than simply being limiting to five copies of each set. It means that if two different sets give the same size bonus to the same thing, the character can't get more than 5x that bonus even if he uses a mix of sets."
Now my corr has 2 full sets of posi blast, full set of glimpse of abyss, 5 pieces of Doctored wounds, a full set of efficacy adapter, full set of dark watcher, and most of the expedient reinforcement, all of which give bonuses to recharge, as I originally intended.
bonus from each: Posi-6.25%
posi- 6.25%
abyss- 6.25%
adapter- 5%
Ex. Rein- 6.25%
DW's D- 5%
D-wounds- 5%
I'd say that's a buttload of recharge, but this rule of 5 has me wondering if this combination put me in line for some diminishing returns. I have 3 5%'s going on, and 4 6.25%'s, and the rule states that it has to be the same bonus number. So, even though I have 7 sets that give me recharge, am I in the clear as far as this rule goes? Do I have to have 5 amounts of 5% or 6.25% for t not to work as well, or am I good to go?
Thanks in advance