Help understanding Magnitude please?
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Posted on: 2010-03-05 07:55 in Player Questions
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Magnitude is how 'powerful' the control has to be to affect the target. Kuji-In Rin givesa starting -10.38 to Stun, Hold, Sleep, Immobilize, Confuse, and Terrorize effects. So when a boss lays a magnitude +3 hold on you, Kuji-In Rin gives does this+ You have -10.38 mez on you. To get you to be held, the boss needs MORE power, until the magnitude of the hold is positive. So in this case, you are taking away 10.38 magnitude from any of those effects that hit you. The boss hits you with +3 magnitude, but Kuji-In Rin knocks that down to -7.38. A Hold that is negative 7.38 in power is weaksauce.
But let's say four bosses lay a mag 3 hold on you. Kuji-In Rin takes away 10.38 from the first to hit, making the power -7.38. All good, as we said earlier. The second hold hits, it has already used up -3, so it's +3 vs. -7.38, leaving Kuji-In Rin at -4.38 in its magnitude-lowering power. Uh-oh, that third hold? You're down to -1.38 power. But it's still negative, so you aren't held. But wait, one last hold is +3 vs. -1.38, leaving the hold at + 1.62. At this point, you get held.
Powers that give a negative magnitude are giving you protection from those status effects.
Something to note.
Except for KB/KU, where the magnitude affects the distance, magnitude is not enhanceable on most/all mezzes - instead their enhancements increase duration.e
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Originally Posted by Seldom
Magnitude is how 'powerful' the control has to be to affect the target. Kuji-In Rin givesa starting -10.38 to Stun, Hold, Sleep, Immobilize, Confuse, and Terrorize effects. So when a boss lays a magnitude +3 hold on you, Kuji-In Rin gives does this+ You have -10.38 mez on you. To get you to be held, the boss needs MORE power, until the magnitude of the hold is positive. So in this case, you are taking away 10.38 magnitude from any of those effects that hit you. The boss hits you with +3 magnitude, but Kuji-In Rin knocks that down to -7.38. A Hold that is negative 7.38 in power is weaksauce.
But let's say four bosses lay a mag 3 hold on you. Kuji-In Rin takes away 10.38 from the first to hit, making the power -7.38. All good, as we said earlier. The second hold hits, it has already used up -3, so it's +3 vs. -7.38, leaving Kuji-In Rin at -4.38 in its magnitude-lowering power. Uh-oh, that third hold? You're down to -1.38 power. But it's still negative, so you aren't held. But wait, one last hold is +3 vs. -1.38, leaving the hold at + 1.62. At this point, you get held. |
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Originally Posted by Chocolate_Bacon
Powers that give a negative magnitude are giving you protection from those status effects.
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This is correct except for one thing...you have the +/- switched, protection is +magnitude, and actual mezzes are -magnitude
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Also, a copy/paste from a post I made about a month ago
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It's a little known fact that players have an inherent mag 1 protection.
Though, to be clear, inherent protection is a bit misleading, since it doesn't show in the real numbers
It's just that players have to fall below -1 protection in PvE before they get mezzed. (acro +2 prot -3 hold =
-1, not held )
Same with enemies too, if you've ever looked at an npc, like a boss, with a Power Analyzer you'd know that they don't show any inherent protection even though it's widely known Bosses have Mag 3(because bosses need to fall below -3 to get mezzed).
This is also why Kheldians only need 4 controllers to resist mag 3 holds(each troller gives +0.5 prot)
Edit: Made a quick mission in AE to to show an example:
As you can see, I'm not held by a Mag 3,
but by a Mag 4 I am, since it went below -1.
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Even the Paragonwiki Page doesn't list player's inherent 1 protection
I was wondering if anyone could help me understand how magnitude works on powers please? I know that minions/lieutenants/ and bosses all have a 1, 2, or three magnitude resistance respectively, but some of the powers I'm looking at that are available to take for my characters have listings on Mids of -10 magnitude to to effects K. I'm a little unclear on what that means. (Kuji-in Rin for the Ninja stalker list -10.5 to several status effects for example.) Any help or links to reading would be greatly appreciated. thanks!